Solid motor mounts
Stiffer motor mounts will offer little in the way of performance enhancement, will cause much larger vibrations in the car. The knock sensors on the engine can (in some engines) get set off my the engine not being able to move being perceived as knock and so the engine can pull timing. Poly bushings would be a better choice, but if doing those make sure that you get the transmission as well.
I just don't think its necessary, spend the money on a mod that does something significant for you. Plus, the motor being able to flex helps to dampen some shock on drivetrain parts and keeps you from "tweaking" the frame if you dump the clutch and the tires stick (or something similar).
I just don't think its necessary, spend the money on a mod that does something significant for you. Plus, the motor being able to flex helps to dampen some shock on drivetrain parts and keeps you from "tweaking" the frame if you dump the clutch and the tires stick (or something similar).
I've found these sites that offer solid motor mounts for our engine. Has anyone bought these?
http://www.revshift.com/solidmounts.htm
and
http://www.importpartspro.com/invqsomomo07.html
http://www.revshift.com/solidmounts.htm
and
http://www.importpartspro.com/invqsomomo07.html
on the plus side though, i had way, way less wheel hop when launching the car, better traction generally in dry and wet weather, and better feel when shifting the car at speed. also, the cabin noise wasn't necessarily "worse," just made the natural engine sound a lil bit louder.
on a RWD car though with stock hp, i don't really think it'd help all that much unless you plan on doing burnouts all day... and in that case you bought the wrong car, haha
i too had an RSX-S and got some polyurethane mounts. they did give me a lil more vibration at idle (way more on the passenger side, so my friends all noticed it more than i did), and the vibration was even worse with the a/c on. and of course, it also transmitted a bit more noise in the cabin.
on the plus side though, i had way, way less wheel hop when launching the car, better traction generally in dry and wet weather, and better feel when shifting the car at speed. also, the cabin noise wasn't necessarily "worse," just made the natural engine sound a lil bit louder.
on a RWD car though with stock hp, i don't really think it'd help all that much unless you plan on doing burnouts all day... and in that case you bought the wrong car, haha
on the plus side though, i had way, way less wheel hop when launching the car, better traction generally in dry and wet weather, and better feel when shifting the car at speed. also, the cabin noise wasn't necessarily "worse," just made the natural engine sound a lil bit louder.
on a RWD car though with stock hp, i don't really think it'd help all that much unless you plan on doing burnouts all day... and in that case you bought the wrong car, haha
alright guys..i've ordered the solid mounts from revshift that Mr. provided with the link. i must say that this solid motor mount is the cheapest one i found. i've search for some and they range from 120-140 that i've seen. but anyways on with the review.
To make your life easier with this install..i would recommend you to get aftermarket headers while doing this install because stock headers are a pain in the A**! also you would need to use long extensions to unbolt/bolt the top of the mounts. and when everythings unbolted you would jack up the engine (where the tranny meets the engine) theirs enough solid area to jack it up. Nothing snapped or broke while lifting (during my mod)..be careful though, just bring up the engine slowly at a time. you should be able to shake the stock mount off and install the solid mounts.
alright now for the whole vibrations. before i even considered this mod. i've read that few people were complaining about the vibrations. Like, "its too crazy for me and i'm uninstalling". In my opinion..the moment i started the Z after the install, i thought that the solid mounts were loose, because i barely felt the vibrations. I was amazed/shocked that this solid motor mount was producing this little amount of vibrations. The vibrations feels like i have a small weak sub but instead of having the sub in the back its in the front. My vibrations isn't strong enough to shake my mirrors (rear view, L & R side mirrors!) And i'm not even trying to under exaggerate the vibrations.
I have an RSX with esmm INSERTS. Now thats vibrations! all the mirrors shake when your at a full stop or even getting off 1st gear. oh yea, even having the A/C on (stated above). The comparison to RSX inserts and this solid motor mount has a wide gap that if your sensative with vibrations you shouldnt even get this mod. Im not saying that it wouldnt produce vibrations but not as much as people would say. But idk, i might be those few Z's that doesnt produce that much vibrations compared to those that have crazy vibrations. But thats just my experience/opinion. HOPE this would help!!
To make your life easier with this install..i would recommend you to get aftermarket headers while doing this install because stock headers are a pain in the A**! also you would need to use long extensions to unbolt/bolt the top of the mounts. and when everythings unbolted you would jack up the engine (where the tranny meets the engine) theirs enough solid area to jack it up. Nothing snapped or broke while lifting (during my mod)..be careful though, just bring up the engine slowly at a time. you should be able to shake the stock mount off and install the solid mounts.
alright now for the whole vibrations. before i even considered this mod. i've read that few people were complaining about the vibrations. Like, "its too crazy for me and i'm uninstalling". In my opinion..the moment i started the Z after the install, i thought that the solid mounts were loose, because i barely felt the vibrations. I was amazed/shocked that this solid motor mount was producing this little amount of vibrations. The vibrations feels like i have a small weak sub but instead of having the sub in the back its in the front. My vibrations isn't strong enough to shake my mirrors (rear view, L & R side mirrors!) And i'm not even trying to under exaggerate the vibrations.
I have an RSX with esmm INSERTS. Now thats vibrations! all the mirrors shake when your at a full stop or even getting off 1st gear. oh yea, even having the A/C on (stated above). The comparison to RSX inserts and this solid motor mount has a wide gap that if your sensative with vibrations you shouldnt even get this mod. Im not saying that it wouldnt produce vibrations but not as much as people would say. But idk, i might be those few Z's that doesnt produce that much vibrations compared to those that have crazy vibrations. But thats just my experience/opinion. HOPE this would help!!
Last edited by vinniePOOH; May 6, 2009 at 10:08 AM.
Just my 2 cents but I'm thinking that motor mounts will be the absolute last mod I would do to my car. Is the gain worth it? Who knows? There are tons of things I'd do prior to motor mounts. Relatively speaking, our engines aren't about to jump through the hood. So whats the point. Maybe if youre stock mounts are old and you have nothing else to do, then go for it. I'd do every bolt on, a custom tune, drop weight, and full suspension before considering motor mounts. After all that, motor mounts gains would most likely be negligible.
I also have subaru wrx. I installed polyurethane (sti group N) engine and transmission mounts + karboy engine pitch mounts + polyurethane transmission crossmember mounts + and so on. It's loud. You could hear and feel your engine on load. If you track a lot, it's a good mods. Power transfer to the ground is more efficient in my opinion.
Having that said, I never installed solid mounts though. I would imagine that would create too much noise and vibration even for me.
Having that said, I never installed solid mounts though. I would imagine that would create too much noise and vibration even for me.
Ill add 2 cents to this. The VQ engine seems to vibrate quite a bit, so if you DD your car I would really avise against this. But if your the type that drives around with your car slammed to the ground with a huge droning on the highway exhaust I doubt you will mind. The closest i came to this type of experience is my friends old 91 1g awd eclipse. It had full poly-u engine and suspension mounts. It also had the balance shafts removed, 272 intake and exhaust cams. AGX shocks and eibach springs. The car was pure joy to drive to me. It had an extremely lopey idle that you felt in the cabin along with a WOT push. I dont know how it would have been driving everyday, but i never complained while driving that thing.
What might be a nightmare to some of us, might be fun to another. If you dont care about creature comforts then do it. If you DD your car and have ever complained about a rattle, dont.
What might be a nightmare to some of us, might be fun to another. If you dont care about creature comforts then do it. If you DD your car and have ever complained about a rattle, dont.
Ill add 2 cents to this. The VQ engine seems to vibrate quite a bit, so if you DD your car I would really avise against this. But if your the type that drives around with your car slammed to the ground with a huge droning on the highway exhaust I doubt you will mind. The closest i came to this type of experience is my friends old 91 1g awd eclipse. It had full poly-u engine and suspension mounts. It also had the balance shafts removed, 272 intake and exhaust cams. AGX shocks and eibach springs. The car was pure joy to drive to me. It had an extremely lopey idle that you felt in the cabin along with a WOT push. I dont know how it would have been driving everyday, but i never complained while driving that thing.
What might be a nightmare to some of us, might be fun to another. If you dont care about creature comforts then do it. If you DD your car and have ever complained about a rattle, dont.
What might be a nightmare to some of us, might be fun to another. If you dont care about creature comforts then do it. If you DD your car and have ever complained about a rattle, dont.
I have just fitted the Z1 billet solid mounts to my car and have to say i agree with the above, the vibrations themselves are not that bad, even my girlfriend didnt really notice the difference!
The thing i do notice is a LOT of extra noise, i was expecting this to some degree, but this is loud, the car now sounds like a 1940's prop plane, so each to their own on this. I had them fitted at the same time as aftermarket manifolds, and my god, it was a hell of a job. Luckily i have an understanding mechanic so it wasnt too expensive...
So i'd say if your prepared for the noise, go for it, the vibrations are nothing to be worried about. I had a JDM Integra DC5 Type-R aswell, withEnergy ESMM's and the vibrations in that were worse.
The thing i do notice is a LOT of extra noise, i was expecting this to some degree, but this is loud, the car now sounds like a 1940's prop plane, so each to their own on this. I had them fitted at the same time as aftermarket manifolds, and my god, it was a hell of a job. Luckily i have an understanding mechanic so it wasnt too expensive...
So i'd say if your prepared for the noise, go for it, the vibrations are nothing to be worried about. I had a JDM Integra DC5 Type-R aswell, withEnergy ESMM's and the vibrations in that were worse.
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