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This man is trying to market his business to us and make a few dollars don't ruin this for him. some of you guys are shunning him because he wanted to be unique and offer us something rare and never done before. It's still rays wheels with just a different paint scheme and if he wants to save you money why not let him... Jeez... free bump for you gruppe-s.
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Originally Posted by jdm_Z33
This man is trying to market his business to us and make a few dollars don't ruin this for him. some of you guys are shunning him because he wanted to be unique and offer us something rare and never done before. It's still rays wheels with just a different paint scheme and if he wants to save you money why not let him... Jeez... free bump for you gruppe-s.
Originally Posted by Freak
if you lose the warranty is it worth it?
For those of you who are too lazy to read the previous posts, gruppe-s has commented on the warranty several times.
Originally Posted by Gruppe-S
6. Warranty is a non-issue. Volk wheels don't break. If on the off chance they were manufactured with a defect (unlikely -it's Rays) we'll fix the problem (ie get you a new wheel).
Originally Posted by Gruppe-S
That's totally correct, we would not ask the US distributor to extend warranty coverage to wheels we are importing. Rather warranty coverage is provided by Rays Wheels Japan when we send any warranty cases back to Japan. It is definitely an important distinction, especially in the case of products such as watches etc. However for these particular wheels the distinction is very small because first they are not serviced in house by any US distributor (rather it must be sent back to Japan) and second we have sold literally thousands of sets of wheels (of all types) and have never had to warranty a single wheel.
In fact, the only time I have ever heard of wheels needing to be warrantied was with a cheap replica wheel that cracked under high torque load produced by a Viper GTS. Why a Viper GTS owner bought a cheap replica wheel? I dunno...
But yes, if a warranty issue were to exist we would get it taken care of!
In fact, the only time I have ever heard of wheels needing to be warrantied was with a cheap replica wheel that cracked under high torque load produced by a Viper GTS. Why a Viper GTS owner bought a cheap replica wheel? I dunno...
But yes, if a warranty issue were to exist we would get it taken care of!
Originally Posted by Gruppe-S
We offer full manufacturers warranty on the Volk wheels. Warranty is guaranteed against defects in workmanship by Rays Wheels Japan. That said - I can't remember the last time a Volk wheel needed warranty... These are high quality JDM cold-forged wheels not made in the phillipines replica wheels.
Originally Posted by Gruppe-S
The custom colored wheels we are selling are NOT available in these colors through Rays Japan.
Bottom line is Gruppe S will stand behind their products. It looks like if the customer has any problems, they will take care of it and even replace it if need be. They're selling a set of rims... if you want to buy it then buy it, if not then don't.
Gruppe S has really come back with the best prices for their parts. Just take a look at the Vendor Classified section. So don't crucify them for hooking up Z owners with good legit deals.
Gruppe S has really come back with the best prices for their parts. Just take a look at the Vendor Classified section. So don't crucify them for hooking up Z owners with good legit deals.
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Originally Posted by NismoZ33
ok sound interesting...
1. So any Rays wheels I get from you will be grey market in?
2. Will Gruppe S cover warranty or Rays?
3. How long will it take if I order a set of TE in Takata Green?
4. Will you paint the wheels or are the wheels coming from Rays Green?
5. How much cheaper would i be saving if I order from you?
This is for TE37 19" aggressive size in Green
just want to know before I buy.
1. So any Rays wheels I get from you will be grey market in?
2. Will Gruppe S cover warranty or Rays?
3. How long will it take if I order a set of TE in Takata Green?
4. Will you paint the wheels or are the wheels coming from Rays Green?
5. How much cheaper would i be saving if I order from you?
This is for TE37 19" aggressive size in Green
just want to know before I buy.
Hey sorry, let me answer your questions -
1. Yes, we import the wheels directly from Japan. This may be changing in the near future though.
2. Yes Rays warranty is covered. But the reality is they will only warranty if the wheel has a manufacturing defect. If you go rally cross in these wheels and try to warranty the paint or put them on some 5000ft/lbs diesel dragster and crack it then chances are Rays will not warranty it (doesn't matter grey market or not).
3. A long, long time. Any standard colored wheels from Rays take almost 8-12weeks these days, custom colored takes much longer. My recommendation is to order a set in standard colors and have us powder coat it for you if you really want the Takata green.
4. If you really want Takata green from Rays we can order it for you but please see #2.
5. Please PM for pricing. We have agreed out of respect for other Volk dealers not to publically advertise any Volk prices.
Cheers,
Gary
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the point of the conflict isn't gruppe-s making a different color wheel, it's that they are grey marketing the product. they don't actually take the wheels to rays in japan, they take the wheels to the guy who they bought them from in japan, who then takes the wheels to either rays or who they bought the wheels from. the only wheel that is approved by rays and mackin to be sold direct from japan is the top secret gold wheels, all others are not approved. and of course the only source for these wheels are top secret dealers.
as andy at performance nissan stated in his thread, grey marketing hurts the companies that have made investments in inventory and marketing of the products that they import. the consumer has the choice though and as usual the person with the lowest price will win whether ethical or not.
as andy at performance nissan stated in his thread, grey marketing hurts the companies that have made investments in inventory and marketing of the products that they import. the consumer has the choice though and as usual the person with the lowest price will win whether ethical or not.
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Originally Posted by topsecret2001
as andy at performance nissan stated in his thread, grey marketing hurts the companies that have made investments in inventory and marketing of the products that they import. the consumer has the choice though and as usual the person with the lowest price will win whether ethical or not.
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Originally Posted by topsecret2001
the point of the conflict isn't gruppe-s making a different color wheel, it's that they are grey marketing the product. they don't actually take the wheels to rays in japan, they take the wheels to the guy who they bought them from in japan, who then takes the wheels to either rays or who they bought the wheels from. the only wheel that is approved by rays and mackin to be sold direct from japan is the top secret gold wheels, all others are not approved. and of course the only source for these wheels are top secret dealers.
as andy at performance nissan stated in his thread, grey marketing hurts the companies that have made investments in inventory and marketing of the products that they import. the consumer has the choice though and as usual the person with the lowest price will win whether ethical or not.
as andy at performance nissan stated in his thread, grey marketing hurts the companies that have made investments in inventory and marketing of the products that they import. the consumer has the choice though and as usual the person with the lowest price will win whether ethical or not.
Until then, I'd suggest staying out of a paying site sponsors for sale thread.....I'm shocked the admins/mods haven't taken action...but does it suprise me? hmmm..........
Originally Posted by redlude97
Where does it say Volk anywhere in Gruppe-S's posts? They are clearly labeled as Rays, which make gramlights as well.
Originally Posted by spz33
Ok... so if i slap Volk stickers on Work wheels, does that make them Volks? Obviously the consumer doesn't know the inside and out of Rays Engineering.
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Originally Posted by spz33
Ok... so if i slap Volk stickers on Work wheels, does that make them Volks? Obviously the consumer doesn't know the inside and out of Rays Engineering.
Say hi to Alex for me. Cheers,
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Originally Posted by 2005daytonaZ
can i get a price on some TE37's 19 x 9.5 F +22 and 10.5 R +22
and CE29 18 x 9.5 F +22 and 10.5 R +18
Thanks
and CE29 18 x 9.5 F +22 and 10.5 R +18
Thanks
Thanks,
Gary
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