and you are comparing my saying of LIGHT SNOW to a Canadian snow storm.

 

How much snow do you believe vancouver gets? And if the ground is cold enough to have ice on it, and there is snow... your "all seasons" are worthless.

 

yep, A/S are worthless in ice.


If you live in a place that gets MAJOR snow or ICE then A/S tires are just not going to work. I never said that part was wrong...

I said for lightsnow, and the ability to work slightly better in the COLD than summer tires were the real advantages.

 

btw


http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ay.jsp?ttid=80


basically. Summer tires perform little better when its warmer (i think of this as 45F+), A/S are a little better than Summer 45F and less.

 

The only All weather tires worth anything when it's cold are these... http://www.kaltire.com/retail/tires/...e=A/W&cat=PASS

They are soft and won't last that long, but work well all year. I'm currently using them on my beater.

Here's another quote from the Tire Rack, since you are debating someone who is very skilled in terms of driving in EVERY condition...

"By design, All-Season tires are a compromise intended to provide acceptable traits under a wide variety of conditions. However, that compromised goal prevents them from being a master of any one of them. The All-Season tire tread designs and compounds that are engineered to provide extended mileages and durability under the summer's sun are less effective in winter's freezing temperatures, and through snow and on ice. Specific winter tires deliver much better snow and ice performance than All-Season tires because their tread designs and tread compounds are engineered to master those conditions, while summer tires are engineered to deliver better handling in the rain and on dry roads. Why not have the best tires for each of the conditions you'll encounter?"

http://www.tirerack.com/techpage-1/120.shtml

All season tires are meant to last a long time. That's why they are useless in any winter conditions. If you want to put your life on the line because of a tire advertisement or to save some money on all season tires that will last for years... go for it.

Personally, I'd spend the money on good winter tires, or take the bus. No other options.

 

Plus, the cost ends up being about the same, because you aren't wearing out your much more expensive 18+" tires in the winter, when you can be using 16-17" winter wheels and tires which a significantly cheaper. So a higher initial investment is needed, but should pay for itself within a year or two, save yourself from a single fender bender in the snow and its already more than paid for itself

 

Let alone the fact it could save lives.

Good summer tires = dry/wet
Good winter tires = Snow/Ice

All good. Safe n' happy.

 

The whole thing we havent seen real tests on is how well the ultra high performance A/S tires perform in the snow. So we cant discuss that part I guess any further.

I do agree, if you can get both summer tires and winter tires that is the best bet. Never disagreed there.

But were I live, theres about 3 months of about 25F-35F weather. Usually only light snow (some ice once in a while, but that is for only a day usually), and summer tires just completely suck when its below 40F.

In this situation, winter tires are pointless. Summer tires are a option, but A/S tires are just as good of a option.

 

why would winter tires be worthless in this situation? There are many performance winter tires made for this very situation, cold weather with light snow ice capabilities and good water shedding capacity. Dunlop M3's, Michelin PA2's, Bridgeston blizzaks all fit this class of tires.

 

Because I, and I would assume others, dont want to spend money on winter only tires where A/S perform JUST FINE. Anyways I am done with this *conversation* because its pointless. We could go back and forth forever.........