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10-22-2007, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by daytona350z
i dont think they are odd. you just have to drop it and they will tuck in nicely. the rear is a bit odd only because it is conservative.
The rear offset on a 9.5" wheel is not all that conservative at +18. imo, it is tucked a mere 3mm more than what I consider the optimal optimal offset. IMHO a perfect rear offset is a 10.5" wide wheel running a +28, 10" wheel running +22 or +23 (as that what is more readily available), or in 9.5" wheel+15 offset.
But to talk about the front, a +18 offset on a 9.5" wheel is definitely too agressive. Personally on a 9.5" wheel, I wouldn't run anything less than a +26
Now, to look at the set together, you have a set of rear wheels that is ever so slightly conservative, and a front set that is overly agressive. The combo is odd
10-22-2007, 09:24 AM
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To answer the offset questions.
I got 18x9.5 all around for a better autoX set up. Gives you a tad bit more oversteer which is better for that. Now with doing that I decided to do the same offset all around to I could rotate my tires and save some $ on that. I had the R disc with the big offsets one to look good and two so I can upgrade to stock brembos in the near future. Thanks for all of the complements!
I got 18x9.5 all around for a better autoX set up. Gives you a tad bit more oversteer which is better for that. Now with doing that I decided to do the same offset all around to I could rotate my tires and save some $ on that. I had the R disc with the big offsets one to look good and two so I can upgrade to stock brembos in the near future. Thanks for all of the complements!
10-22-2007, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Zivman
The offsets are most definitely odd
The rear offset on a 9.5" wheel is not all that conservative at +18. imo, it is tucked a mere 3mm more than what I consider the optimal optimal offset. IMHO a perfect rear offset is a 10.5" wide wheel running a +28, 10" wheel running +22 or +23 (as that what is more readily available), or in 9.5" wheel+15 offset.
But to talk about the front, a +18 offset on a 9.5" wheel is definitely too agressive. Personally on a 9.5" wheel, I wouldn't run anything less than a +26
Now, to look at the set together, you have a set of rear wheels that is ever so slightly conservative, and a front set that is overly agressive. The combo is odd
The rear offset on a 9.5" wheel is not all that conservative at +18. imo, it is tucked a mere 3mm more than what I consider the optimal optimal offset. IMHO a perfect rear offset is a 10.5" wide wheel running a +28, 10" wheel running +22 or +23 (as that what is more readily available), or in 9.5" wheel+15 offset.
But to talk about the front, a +18 offset on a 9.5" wheel is definitely too agressive. Personally on a 9.5" wheel, I wouldn't run anything less than a +26
Now, to look at the set together, you have a set of rear wheels that is ever so slightly conservative, and a front set that is overly agressive. The combo is odd
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10-22-2007, 12:52 PM
#25
Originally Posted by AlvinHuyN
Thats actually really conservative. Most people would say the perfect offset is in the low to mid 20s with 1 9.5 front and 10.5 back. It would make it sit very flush but not pushed out with the fenders. I think the 9.5 +18 is a nice setup and definitely not too aggressive. I used to have 19x10.5 +30 is even though it is ideal to you it wasn't too me. Sit way too far under the fenders.
I am running a 295/35/18 tire on an 18x10.5 rear wheel. I have ran this wheel with numerous offsets as it was a +43 - which I didn't feel was really even that tucked. I was looking for the most agressive offset I could run without the tire rubbing. that was a +28. If I dropped it down to a +23, they would rub. I am sure with a stretched tire, you can run more agressive offsets, but I am not a fan of a stretched tire.
I see so many people running very agressive offsets that require not only a stretched tire, but also gobs of camber and fender rolling. IMHO, a perfect offset does not limit your tire size, nor requires excessive camber or fender rolling.
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10-22-2007, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Zivman
When I say perfect I am reffering to a wheel setup that does not rub with a neutral camber setup and no fender rolling.
I am running a 295/35/18 tire on an 18x10.5 rear wheel. I have ran this wheel with numerous offsets as it was a +43 - which I didn't feel was really even that tucked. I was looking for the most agressive offset I could run without the tire rubbing. that was a +28. If I dropped it down to a +23, they would rub. I am sure with a stretched tire, you can run more agressive offsets, but I am not a fan of a stretched tire.
I see so many people running very agressive offsets that require not only a stretched tire, but also gobs of camber and fender rolling. IMHO, a perfect offset does not limit your tire size, nor requires excessive camber or fender rolling.
I am running a 295/35/18 tire on an 18x10.5 rear wheel. I have ran this wheel with numerous offsets as it was a +43 - which I didn't feel was really even that tucked. I was looking for the most agressive offset I could run without the tire rubbing. that was a +28. If I dropped it down to a +23, they would rub. I am sure with a stretched tire, you can run more agressive offsets, but I am not a fan of a stretched tire.
I see so many people running very agressive offsets that require not only a stretched tire, but also gobs of camber and fender rolling. IMHO, a perfect offset does not limit your tire size, nor requires excessive camber or fender rolling.
10-22-2007, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Zivman
The offsets are most definitely odd
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10-22-2007, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Zivman
When I say perfect I am reffering to a wheel setup that does not rub with a neutral camber setup and no fender rolling.
I am running a 295/35/18 tire on an 18x10.5 rear wheel. I have ran this wheel with numerous offsets as it was a +43 - which I didn't feel was really even that tucked. I was looking for the most agressive offset I could run without the tire rubbing. that was a +28. If I dropped it down to a +23, they would rub. I am sure with a stretched tire, you can run more agressive offsets, but I am not a fan of a stretched tire.
I see so many people running very agressive offsets that require not only a stretched tire, but also gobs of camber and fender rolling. IMHO, a perfect offset does not limit your tire size, nor requires excessive camber or fender rolling.
I am running a 295/35/18 tire on an 18x10.5 rear wheel. I have ran this wheel with numerous offsets as it was a +43 - which I didn't feel was really even that tucked. I was looking for the most agressive offset I could run without the tire rubbing. that was a +28. If I dropped it down to a +23, they would rub. I am sure with a stretched tire, you can run more agressive offsets, but I am not a fan of a stretched tire.
I see so many people running very agressive offsets that require not only a stretched tire, but also gobs of camber and fender rolling. IMHO, a perfect offset does not limit your tire size, nor requires excessive camber or fender rolling.
10-22-2007, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ppw350Zunit
if those offsets are odd, then mine are just plain stupid!?!?
https://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279347
https://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279347
They are not reallyany more odd than than the OPs in terms of offset. You have a slightly over agressive rear and even more agressive front.
10-22-2007, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by redlude97
I agree with everything except for the fender rolling part. Anyone that wants a "perfect" setup should be willing to roll their fenders. The "perfect" setup is one that sits as flush to the fenders as possible with the desired wheel widths, tire widths, and alignment settings. A 295 on a 10.5+23 is easily achievable with minimal camber if the fenders are rolled.
I'll stick with a slightly less agressive offset in favor of running the camber I choose, the tires I choose, and not messing up my rear quarters or paint. I mean seriously we are talking like 10-15mm for all that headache????
10-22-2007, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Zivman
Rolling the fenders is not optimal. Your paint will eventually be compromised on the roll even if it isn't damaged during the process. on top of that, if you ever have to replace the rear quarter panel, you have more than doubled the cost/labor to do so.
I'll stick with a slightly less agressive offset in favor of running the camber I choose, the tires I choose, and not messing up my rear quarters or paint. I mean seriously we are talking like 10-15mm for all that headache????
I'll stick with a slightly less agressive offset in favor of running the camber I choose, the tires I choose, and not messing up my rear quarters or paint. I mean seriously we are talking like 10-15mm for all that headache????
10-22-2007, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Zivman
Rolling the fenders is not optimal. Your paint will eventually be compromised on the roll even if it isn't damaged during the process. on top of that, if you ever have to replace the rear quarter panel, you have more than doubled the cost/labor to do so.
I'll stick with a slightly less agressive offset in favor of running the camber I choose, the tires I choose, and not messing up my rear quarters or paint. I mean seriously we are talking like 10-15mm for all that headache????
I'll stick with a slightly less agressive offset in favor of running the camber I choose, the tires I choose, and not messing up my rear quarters or paint. I mean seriously we are talking like 10-15mm for all that headache????
go ahead and stick with your "correct" conservative offsets...your entitled to
tucked wheels may be your thing.btw, i run a 275 on a 10" -5 offset wheel with -2.0* of camber...you have to run some decent amount of negative camber for your car to handle worth a crap.
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10-22-2007, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Zivman
Rolling the fenders is not optimal. Your paint will eventually be compromised on the roll even if it isn't damaged during the process. on top of that, if you ever have to replace the rear quarter panel, you have more than doubled the cost/labor to do so.
I'll stick with a slightly less agressive offset in favor of running the camber I choose, the tires I choose, and not messing up my rear quarters or paint. I mean seriously we are talking like 10-15mm for all that headache????
I'll stick with a slightly less agressive offset in favor of running the camber I choose, the tires I choose, and not messing up my rear quarters or paint. I mean seriously we are talking like 10-15mm for all that headache????
10-22-2007, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by daytona350z
humm, doubling the cost of replacing the rear quarter panel? how so if you are already replacing the quarter panel? headache...? just have to find a good person with a roller and heat gun to avoid paint cracking. honestly, how many people have you seen with rusted fenders from rolling them-correctly.
go ahead and stick with your "correct" conservative offsets...your entitled to tucked wheels may be your thing.
btw, i run a 275 on a 10" -5 offset wheel with -2.0* of camber...you have to run some decent amount of negative camber for your car to handle worth a crap.
go ahead and stick with your "correct" conservative offsets...your entitled to
tucked wheels may be your thing.btw, i run a 275 on a 10" -5 offset wheel with -2.0* of camber...you have to run some decent amount of negative camber for your car to handle worth a crap.
You can discuss the fender thing with your body shop as I have with mine. Basically you are rolling the point where the quarter is welded to the inner fender.
I have no doubt you can get by with rolling the fenders and not cracking the paint. That said, you have compromised the paint, regardless of you see it at the time of the 'roll', and over time it will become an issue. That may or may not be a concern to you
My wheels are FAR from tucked. Given that they are within 5mm of rubbing is proof enough.
for the record I am running around 1.5-1.7 degrees of camber in the rear.
10-22-2007, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperBlack350z
being at a bodyshop for couple of years, this is 100% true. I usually don't even bother telling a person because most likely they won't even have their car that long. But a person who plans on keeping it for a long time or forever, rolling the fenders is a no no for paint. You'll see why down the road. You know your stuff Zivman, not sure if you have any bodyshop experience but it's nice to know someone knows that he's talking about.
Thanks for the supportive post. My brother is a body tech at a very reputable shop in our area. I have discussed the fender rolling with him and other techs from his shop. ALL of them advised me against it.
I mean really, all the potential headache for a few mm isn't worth it
10-22-2007, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Zivman
Thanks for the supportive post. My brother is a body tech at a very reputable shop in our area. I have discussed the fender rolling with him and other techs from his shop. ALL of them advised me against it.
I mean really, all the potential headache for a few mm isn't worth it
I mean really, all the potential headache for a few mm isn't worth it
A good example since it's kinda hard to explain. When you have a semi big chip in the paint, it will keep chipping over time. You basically flawed the the sealed-in paint. But like i said, it can happen in a year or 5 years. it all depends on weather, condition, and treatment.
