Axis rims Vs Volk
I love that pic, but it is useless and misleading without context and/or backstory.
Actually, you dont get what you pay for at all. You dont get wheels that are 4x strong because you pay 4x more. Like all things in motorsports, for every single % of performance, price logarithmically increases. From the dept of numbers I pulled out of my ****, a forged wheel may offer over 60% more strength at 400% of the cost. One has to decide if their application warrants the extra performance, in our case, usually it does. Once you pass the benchmark of OEM safety levels, its all diminishing returns. Thats in no way an argument for or against. As the proud new owner of a $3000 set of f'd up Advans, sometimes there is more frustration because your expectations are higher.
Actually, you dont get what you pay for at all. You dont get wheels that are 4x strong because you pay 4x more. Like all things in motorsports, for every single % of performance, price logarithmically increases. From the dept of numbers I pulled out of my ****, a forged wheel may offer over 60% more strength at 400% of the cost. One has to decide if their application warrants the extra performance, in our case, usually it does. Once you pass the benchmark of OEM safety levels, its all diminishing returns. Thats in no way an argument for or against. As the proud new owner of a $3000 set of f'd up Advans, sometimes there is more frustration because your expectations are higher.
its one of those things people can tell you but until you see them in person, you cant truly appreciate the difference in finish and quality.
if you were to put who similar designed wheels like the axis matrix side by side against the volk gt-v, without any sort of name attached to either one, you would have zero problems with picking out the higher quality volk. axis makes a decent wheel, its just on the level with a volk.
if you were to put who similar designed wheels like the axis matrix side by side against the volk gt-v, without any sort of name attached to either one, you would have zero problems with picking out the higher quality volk. axis makes a decent wheel, its just on the level with a volk.
Originally Posted by Nexx
its one of those things people can tell you but until you see them in person, you cant truly appreciate the difference in finish and quality.
Originally Posted by Cux350z
quality.
Volk: forged barrel cast spokes on their 2 piece wheels. forged = strong.
Axis: Cast all around . knock offs. Clean looking tho, i used to have a set of hiros.
Volk: forged barrel cast spokes on their 2 piece wheels. forged = strong.
Axis: Cast all around . knock offs. Clean looking tho, i used to have a set of hiros.
+1, also JAWA certification. Think when people see the quality of the item 1st hand vs the knock off stuff its really impressive. Yes i would agree with the cost issue and its up there.
Originally Posted by tHisZ_bFAST
Comparing apples to tomatoes.
let me guess, pot hole ?
use to have TE37's for my car yes super light but I think there is a limit you can go how light of a rim for street use.
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I wrote an article regarding this topic, specifically wheel design, materials and processes & how they effect strength & performance. It was in Sport Z magazine.
To make it simple:
Cast wheels = added weight = loss in power to wheels & reduced handling (effects of unsprung wt).
Forged wheels = increased strength, less weight = better handling.
To give an example, consider a heavy wheel like a heavy flywheel. The heavier wheel takes more energy/HP to get it rotating + takes more energy/time to reduce it spinning while braking. This explains why high performance wheels & flywheels are lighter.
For the average application/driver, the few pounds per tire might not make a difference in normal driving applications thus a wheel like Axis might be good enough. For others, the added performance of a forged wheel might be worth the extra money.
Another way of looking at it is I remember the owner of axis wheels telling me the average consumer is typically willing to pay no more than 10% of the cost of their new car for after market wheels & tires thus if your 350Z cost lets say $32,000 the rule of thumb for buying wheels & tires would be a maximum of $3200.
To make it simple:
Cast wheels = added weight = loss in power to wheels & reduced handling (effects of unsprung wt).
Forged wheels = increased strength, less weight = better handling.
To give an example, consider a heavy wheel like a heavy flywheel. The heavier wheel takes more energy/HP to get it rotating + takes more energy/time to reduce it spinning while braking. This explains why high performance wheels & flywheels are lighter.
For the average application/driver, the few pounds per tire might not make a difference in normal driving applications thus a wheel like Axis might be good enough. For others, the added performance of a forged wheel might be worth the extra money.
Another way of looking at it is I remember the owner of axis wheels telling me the average consumer is typically willing to pay no more than 10% of the cost of their new car for after market wheels & tires thus if your 350Z cost lets say $32,000 the rule of thumb for buying wheels & tires would be a maximum of $3200.
Originally Posted by zland
I wrote an article regarding this topic, specifically wheel design, materials and processes & how they effect strength & performance. It was in Sport Z magazine.
To make it simple:
Cast wheels = added weight = loss in power to wheels & reduced handling (effects of unsprung wt).
Forged wheels = increased strength, less weight = better handling.
To give an example, consider a heavy wheel like a heavy flywheel. The heavier wheel takes more energy/HP to get it rotating + takes more energy/time to reduce it spinning while braking. This explains why high performance wheels & flywheels are lighter.
For the average application/driver, the few pounds per tire might not make a difference in normal driving applications thus a wheel like Axis might be good enough. For others, the added performance of a forged wheel might be worth the extra money.
Another way of looking at it is I remember the owner of axis wheels telling me the average consumer is typically willing to pay no more than 10% of the cost of their new car for after market wheels & tires thus if your 350Z cost lets say $32,000 the rule of thumb for buying wheels & tires would be a maximum of $3200.
To make it simple:
Cast wheels = added weight = loss in power to wheels & reduced handling (effects of unsprung wt).
Forged wheels = increased strength, less weight = better handling.
To give an example, consider a heavy wheel like a heavy flywheel. The heavier wheel takes more energy/HP to get it rotating + takes more energy/time to reduce it spinning while braking. This explains why high performance wheels & flywheels are lighter.
For the average application/driver, the few pounds per tire might not make a difference in normal driving applications thus a wheel like Axis might be good enough. For others, the added performance of a forged wheel might be worth the extra money.
Another way of looking at it is I remember the owner of axis wheels telling me the average consumer is typically willing to pay no more than 10% of the cost of their new car for after market wheels & tires thus if your 350Z cost lets say $32,000 the rule of thumb for buying wheels & tires would be a maximum of $3200.
The 10% club!! LOL
Axis = paying hard cash
Volk = putting it on a credit card because few people have the ability to write a check for $5k
Volk = putting it on a credit card because few people have the ability to write a check for $5k
Last edited by GalvatronType_R; Mar 21, 2008 at 07:06 AM.
I would never put these on my Z.
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Axis = paying hard cash
Volk = putting it on a credit card because few people have the ability to write a check for $5k
Volk = putting it on a credit card because few people have the ability to write a check for $5k
look at what top manufactures/tuners are using on their street/track/drift beasts...when N.O.B./HKS/Top Secret/Stillen/MCR/Yashio/R.E. and etc etc. start rocking axis rims ...then maybe. Ill.....mmm. Nevermind. I would never roll on axis rims. Let alone on a fairlady.
Originally Posted by GalvatronType_R
Axis = paying hard cash
Volk = putting it on a credit card because few people have the ability to write a check for $5k
Volk = putting it on a credit card because few people have the ability to write a check for $5k
Better shop around if you got a 5K quote for VOLKS
Originally Posted by DBTRACK
Better shop around if you got a 5K quote for VOLKS
The $5k is for EVERYTHING associated with new Volks (tires, mounting, TPMS service, etc.).
Originally Posted by GalvatronType_R
^Sounds like a credit card debt millionaire to me...
The $5k is for EVERYTHING associated with new Volks (tires, mounting, TPMS service, etc.).
The $5k is for EVERYTHING associated with new Volks (tires, mounting, TPMS service, etc.).
Again...like I said, shop around
Last edited by DBTRACK; Mar 21, 2008 at 09:13 AM.
Originally Posted by DBTRACK
I got volks, tires, mounting and shipped minus TPMS for less then $4000
Again...like I said, shop around
Again...like I said, shop around
Same here my LE37s shipped with Rays lugs, balanced mounted, Center caps and everything else needed were $3,7XX.... I paid with a check and I am no millionaire...
I have a set of Hiro's on my Z that I've had for over 2 1/2 years and 46K miles and they've taken some hits from potholes, nasty trains tracks, I've even curbed one HARD while driving ~35mph (hot chick jogging) and no problems, not even a bent rim. I do however have a new set of Volks sitting in my garage ready for tires 