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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 04:54 AM
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I know that Rays Paints all their wheels, but what process do they use (they do multiple coats?, multiple layers of clear?)? I know their finish isn't the most durable thing in the world, but i think it is better than just a normal paint job.

The reason i ask is because in the future i would like to paint my RE-30's matte black (currently formula silver) and i want to ensure i don't ghetto up a brand new set of wheels.
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U will ghetto them up! DONT GET MAD AT ME
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U will ghetto them up! DONT GET MAD AT ME
YOU SEE THAT BABY IN YOUR AVATAR! THATS GOING TO BE YOU SUCKA NEXT TIME I SEE YOU!
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Finishes actually vary through out the wheel line. Not all the wheels have the same type of finish. Rather than painting, you should powder coat your wheels.
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Originally Posted by Andy@Performance
Finishes actually vary through out the wheel line. Not all the wheels have the same type of finish. Rather than painting, you should powder coat your wheels.

I was under the impression that powdercoating forged aluminum was a no no. So therefore powdercoating a forged monoblock wheel would equal


Well let me ask this, does anyone know what process they use on the re30's?
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Originally Posted by chris'smax
I was under the impression that powdercoating forged aluminum was a no no. So therefore powdercoating a forged monoblock wheel would equal


Well let me ask this, does anyone know what process they use on the re30's?
Why would powder coating a forged monoblock be a no no? We've done, it. As a matter of fact, my friend Eddie @ Mackin drives a E46 M3 with powder coated TE37's.
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by chris'smax
I was under the impression that powdercoating forged aluminum was a no no. So therefore powdercoating a forged monoblock wheel would equal


Well let me ask this, does anyone know what process they use on the re30's?
I've heard of some disaster pwdercoating stories...it be interesting to find out more about the thermal limits of the rays process and to see if it actually weakens the metal at all....
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 11:16 AM
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Powder coating does not compromise the structural integrity on the forged aluminum however chroming will.
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 12:33 PM
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youtube its on there how they make and finish the wheel.
if you want to change the color just do it right and powder coat it will look like it came that way.
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^ Cool...
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what about their SF series wheels? are they safe to powder coat? I am thinking of powdercoating the face of my sf winnings....
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy@Performance
Powder coating does not compromise the structural integrity on the forged aluminum however chroming will.
I'm not a powdercoater, but I have been gathering alot of information for my own projects from fairly knowledgeable sources that do powdercoating.

Proper powdercoating should not harm a very strong wheel like a LM4GT or LE37. Wheels with smaller spokes, like split spoke design seem to be more sensitive to the process.

The convection ovens used in some shops are prone to 'hot spotting'. Placing your wheels near the blower may expose them to more heat than should be used.

A shop that attempts to use a bake off oven or uses temps near or over 500F (hotspotting) will be too close the temp in which Al anneals. It could cause "over-aging", making a forged wheel more brittle than it should be. it does not weaken the wheel. But rather it may make it more prone to fatigue due to overaging. While I havent the least idea what process Rays is using, some 6061-T6 Al is annealed under 400F during the initial manufacture (like cast wheels).

http://www.steelforge.com/alloys/?alloy=6061

Forging

The alloy is capable of being hot forged at temperatures in the range of 900 F to 750 F.
Hot Working

Hot working may be done in the temperature range of 700 F to 500 F.
Cold Working

Cold working in the O temper condition is readily performed. The alloy is notably less easy to cold form in the T 4 and T 6 tempers.
Annealing

Annealing should be done at 775 F for 2 to 3 hours followed by controlled cooling at 50 f per hour down to 500 F, then air cool.

Heat Treatment

Solution heat treat at 990 F for adequate time to allow for thorough heating and then water quench. Precipitation hardening is done at 320 F for 18 hours and air cool, followed by 350 F for 8 hours and air cooling.

Aging

The aging precipitation heat treatment is done at 350 F for 8 hours followed by air cooling. This produces the T6 temper.
Just saying, temps over 400F+ for an hour is not completely trivial. It's important you pick a good shop. It can be done safely, as alot of people here have done.. dont let some dumbasses overtemp your $$$ wheels or needlessly heat cycle them repeatedly. It's easy for this to happen as they juggle multiple jobs.
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