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Old Jul 12, 2009 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by norapat01
If you wants a decent set of wheel that does not cost too much, just go with Enkei. They have good reputations and been on racetrack for decades. They doesn't cause that much more from Rota, and have much better reputation.

Enkei > Rota
I have yet to ever own a set of Enkei's. I have seen these wheels at the track just as often as I see Rota's and I can say I've seen way more damaged Enkei's. This could just be a coincidence but that's just based on my experience and what I've witnessed. It's funny though as you don't often see all the shattered Enkei's posted online, I guess that's because they aren't of similar designs to other wheels

Quote from GST Motorsports Owner/Tuner Mike Warfield when asked about Rota Wheels and why the run them on their very well known Time Attack car

"We had multiple choices for wheels for our car and for the most part they would have been free or next to nothing, I chose to use Rota's for the following reasons,

1) I knew they would work and hold up.
2) They are a local based company to us that we have a long standing relationship with as friends (outside of business).
3) As a company the local main distributor has an excellent reputation of customer service which is inline with the companies we like to associate ourselves with.

On another note we campaigned the Speed TV/Modified magazine Scion in the last 2 NASA 25 hours and the last one we used Enkei RPF1's, we started the race with 16 wheels and currently have 7 that can be used again. We bent 5 of them in slight off's at speeds not exceeding 60mph and snapped the other 4 in a 80mph roll over. I can tell you we have put way more abuse into our current Rota's on the TA car than the 5 bent wheels saw.

Also if Grand Am merits as a professional race series I worked with a couple of teams a few years back running Rota's.

Mike
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-Dan

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Old Jul 12, 2009 | 01:24 PM
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Sorry Dan, but I just had to reply you, and yep it will probably end up like last time

Originally Posted by WheelDude.com
A common misconception is the amount of R&D that goes in to a Rota wheel and also the quality of these wheels. I've been to the Rota plant and seen these wheels produced, tested, etc.. There is definitely a lot of work involved in to making a wheel and money is saved as labor in the Philippines is cheaper and they are a cast wheel so the entire manufacturing process isn't as expensive.
To how many other wheel plants have you been to compare the quality?

You are wrong about the labour, production of high quality wheels costs the same all over the world. Why? Because labour costs are only a small fraction, the material costs, the tooling and equipment costs are the huge ones here and those are the same all over the world. Companies sometimes move their factories to places like China (TSW is a good example here), but not because of cheap labour, but because they get land (or even a whole factory building) fo free and the taxes are very low, but I cannot see that happening in Phillipines.

The first batches of Rotas which have failed were the effect of improper casting and tooling process, this is what happens when you cut down on costs of tooling, not the labour.

Oh, and I will ask you once again, why Rotas are not available on Japanese market if they are quality wheels? No demand there for such a meticulously designed product?

Originally Posted by WheelDude.com
(Toyota, Ford, Datsun, Isuzu, Mercedes-Benz, VW, etc..).
Datsun? Lol

MB, VW, I would really like to see for which models they are making those wheels for. For cheap *** low end Toyotas, Fords and Isuzus available only on asian market I can believe that.


Originally Posted by WheelDude.com
no R&D?? please.... every wheel is blue printed, goes through computer simulations for testing, produced, tested on various equipment to ensure all JWL/VIA standards are met, etc..
Blue printed? I have not yet seen any company making wheels which doesn't blue print designs they are producing (how else could you make molds?), nothing extraordinary here.

Simulations? Every single CAD/CAM package allows FEA nowadays, nothing extraordinary here either.

I would really like Rays guys on the forum to come here to this thread and show how their plant looks inside. Believe me, PAWI will look like their development has stopped back in the 70s comparing to what Rays have nowadays
Old Jul 12, 2009 | 02:33 PM
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Dont know about all this but i have to say that i am very happy with my rota grids..
they have been holding up perfect.
Old Jul 13, 2009 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by The_VQ
I would really like Rays guys on the forum to come here to this thread and show how their plant looks inside. Believe me, PAWI will look like their development has stopped back in the 70s comparing to what Rays have nowadays
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 05:10 PM
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I sense both sides are preparing their link pages & pics for ROTA v. Real XXVIII
Old Jul 14, 2009 | 09:43 AM
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Let this not become yet another

_____ vs _____.

i am closing this.
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