Fatlace article on fake wheels...
10-04-2010 | 05:27 PM
#21
I'll add this to my earlier thought. I do go to hellaflush every once in a while if I'm bored in class. I've never seen such a self-congratulatory group of people in my life. All it takes to be legit with that crew is to have a retarded suspension set up, and some Fatlace and Illest stickers on your windows. Maybe throw a Yakima rack on the room for some extra cred. Their idea of pushing the envelope is having an extra .5" or so of lip on your wheels. Sweet...
If you don't like what they're doing, you're a hater
I've actually seen people on S2Ki that will refuse to give out information about their offset because someone else can use it then.
I'm not in favor of fake wheels just like I'm not in favor of fake watches or sunglasses, but the HF crew are too trendy for their own good, and before long, that style will be dead just like the Altezza lights and rusted hood craze.
If you don't like what they're doing, you're a hater
I've actually seen people on S2Ki that will refuse to give out information about their offset because someone else can use it then.
I'm not in favor of fake wheels just like I'm not in favor of fake watches or sunglasses, but the HF crew are too trendy for their own good, and before long, that style will be dead just like the Altezza lights and rusted hood craze.
10-04-2010 | 05:31 PM
#22
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I like the 2nd edit:
"Edit 2 After much debate, we’ve come up with a solution where we hope everyone will be happy with. Featured Cars (these are the cars we contact to do a particular photoshoot) – Must be rocking the real deal while with Readers rides, Reps will be ok as long as cars fit the mold."
That's the way it should be if you want to be featured.
"Edit 2 After much debate, we’ve come up with a solution where we hope everyone will be happy with. Featured Cars (these are the cars we contact to do a particular photoshoot) – Must be rocking the real deal while with Readers rides, Reps will be ok as long as cars fit the mold."
That's the way it should be if you want to be featured.
10-04-2010 | 06:22 PM
#28
Self congratulatory describes just about all
forums.
I prefer genuine stuff to any reproduction be it for my car or anything else, but to each his own. What I do find odd is when someone tries to fake it with stickers, or when they claim their replica is every bit as good as the genuine. Beyond that, I know fake from real but recognize that the need to have real isn't a priority for everyone.
forums.
I prefer genuine stuff to any reproduction be it for my car or anything else, but to each his own. What I do find odd is when someone tries to fake it with stickers, or when they claim their replica is every bit as good as the genuine. Beyond that, I know fake from real but recognize that the need to have real isn't a priority for everyone.
10-04-2010 | 06:38 PM
#31
I strongly disagree with a statement that companies that develop the original wheels are bleeding large amounts of money out because of the copy cats. A customer that buys Rota wheels that look just like Volks wasn't in the market for the Volks to begin with. Calvin Klein isn't loosing money because of Walmart, no matter how similar their t-shirts look like. Different market segments, different consumer base.
If you own a set of authentic wheels and you're upset about replicas, ask yourself, why are you really mad? Are those other wheels compromising your performance or is it about something else?
BTW, I don't own replicas. I love my Rays because they're strong and very light, something you can't get from an inferior, cast wheel...but I couldn't care less if someone drives Rotas, ADRs, etc. It's their choice. If rota made a wheel that weighed less than my current wheels, was durable and in 19" size, I'd use it. Why not? The problem is, to make a wheel that is strong and is light, it has to be forged and forging is a much more expensive manufacturing process. Hence, forged wheels cost more. If you choose a cast wheel, it will either be heavier or weaker or both. It is really that simple.
If you own a set of authentic wheels and you're upset about replicas, ask yourself, why are you really mad? Are those other wheels compromising your performance or is it about something else?
BTW, I don't own replicas. I love my Rays because they're strong and very light, something you can't get from an inferior, cast wheel...but I couldn't care less if someone drives Rotas, ADRs, etc. It's their choice. If rota made a wheel that weighed less than my current wheels, was durable and in 19" size, I'd use it. Why not? The problem is, to make a wheel that is strong and is light, it has to be forged and forging is a much more expensive manufacturing process. Hence, forged wheels cost more. If you choose a cast wheel, it will either be heavier or weaker or both. It is really that simple.
Last edited by Ziggyrama; 10-04-2010 at 06:48 PM.
10-04-2010 | 07:09 PM
#32
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I strongly disagree with a statement that companies that develop the original wheels are bleeding large amounts of money out because of the copy cats. A customer that buys Rota wheels that look just like Volks wasn't in the market for the Volks to begin with. Calvin Klein isn't loosing money because of Walmart, no matter how similar their t-shirts look like. Different market segments, different consumer base.
If you own a set of authentic wheels and you're upset about replicas, ask yourself, why are you really mad? Are those other wheels compromising your performance or is it about something else?
BTW, I don't own replicas. I love my Rays because they're strong and very light, something you can't get from an inferior, cast wheel...but I couldn't care less if someone drives Rotas, ADRs, etc. It's their choice. If rota made a wheel that weighed less than my current wheels, was durable and in 19" size, I'd use it. Why not? The problem is, to make a wheel that is strong and is light, it has to be forged and forging is a much more expensive manufacturing process. Hence, forged wheels cost more. If you choose a cast wheel, it will either be heavier or weaker or both. It is really that simple.
If you own a set of authentic wheels and you're upset about replicas, ask yourself, why are you really mad? Are those other wheels compromising your performance or is it about something else?
BTW, I don't own replicas. I love my Rays because they're strong and very light, something you can't get from an inferior, cast wheel...but I couldn't care less if someone drives Rotas, ADRs, etc. It's their choice. If rota made a wheel that weighed less than my current wheels, was durable and in 19" size, I'd use it. Why not? The problem is, to make a wheel that is strong and is light, it has to be forged and forging is a much more expensive manufacturing process. Hence, forged wheels cost more. If you choose a cast wheel, it will either be heavier or weaker or both. It is really that simple.
Nonetheless, very well put and I couldn't agree more about companies losing an arm or a leg because of replicas is just bull. Of course, I personally would prefer the real thing over the reps simply because of the structural integrity of the wheel. But I don't track or ANYTHING close to that serious of driving so I can't justify dumping thousands into a set. I've been rocking daily on Rotas and they've been fine. I bought them because they are good looking (rep) wheels and they fit my ride and for a fraction of the genuine price, so why would I care what brand they are? I wholeheartedly agree function > form, but where is the function for daily driving? As long as I don't try to pass them on as the real thing, I really don't see what the problem is. A wheel = a wheel but unless you track, then strong wheel > weak wheel. And depending how serious you track, my guess is that the knock off Rota will do just fine. All those Volk/Work/etc ***** sound like the genuine wheels are God-like and unbreakable or something.
10-04-2010 | 07:29 PM
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I'll add this to my earlier thought. I do go to hellaflush every once in a while if I'm bored in class. I've never seen such a self-congratulatory group of people in my life. All it takes to be legit with that crew is to have a retarded suspension set up, and some Fatlace and Illest stickers on your windows. Maybe throw a Yakima rack on the room for some extra cred. Their idea of pushing the envelope is having an extra .5" or so of lip on your wheels. Sweet...
If you don't like what they're doing, you're a hater
I've actually seen people on S2Ki that will refuse to give out information about their offset because someone else can use it then.
I'm not in favor of fake wheels just like I'm not in favor of fake watches or sunglasses, but the HF crew are too trendy for their own good, and before long, that style will be dead just like the Altezza lights and rusted hood craze.
If you don't like what they're doing, you're a hater
I've actually seen people on S2Ki that will refuse to give out information about their offset because someone else can use it then.
I'm not in favor of fake wheels just like I'm not in favor of fake watches or sunglasses, but the HF crew are too trendy for their own good, and before long, that style will be dead just like the Altezza lights and rusted hood craze.
Very well said. Agreed on all points!
10-04-2010 | 07:42 PM
#34
i hope you aren't talking about enkei rpf1s. they are very easy to bend, trust me. lightweight is there, quality is not.
For the people who say they don't' have enough money, no one knows how to save money anymore these days?
I might not make a lot of money and should not be spending money on cars period but if you actually cut out all of the dumb stuff like eating out, going out, drinking at the bar...just do this for a month or whatever and you will have enough to basically buy anything you want.
People i meet on the streets usually think i get paid very well, i tell them i just know how to save. I'm not saying to starve yourself and dress like a bum but people literally throw away money every month and not even realizing it.
10-04-2010 | 07:47 PM
#35
i hope you aren't talking about enkei rpf1s. they are very easy to bend, trust me. lightweight is there, quality is not.
For the people who say they don't' have enough money, no one knows how to save money anymore these days?
I might not make a lot of money and should not be spending money on cars period but if you actually cut out all of the dumb stuff like eating out, going out, drinking at the bar...just do this for a month or whatever and you will have enough to basically buy anything you want.
People i meet on the streets usually think i get paid very well, i tell them i just know how to save. I'm not saying to starve yourself and dress like a bum but people literally throw away money every month and not even realizing it.
For the people who say they don't' have enough money, no one knows how to save money anymore these days?
I might not make a lot of money and should not be spending money on cars period but if you actually cut out all of the dumb stuff like eating out, going out, drinking at the bar...just do this for a month or whatever and you will have enough to basically buy anything you want.
People i meet on the streets usually think i get paid very well, i tell them i just know how to save. I'm not saying to starve yourself and dress like a bum but people literally throw away money every month and not even realizing it.
10-04-2010 | 07:52 PM
#36
i hope you aren't talking about enkei rpf1s. they are very easy to bend, trust me. lightweight is there, quality is not.
For the people who say they don't' have enough money, no one knows how to save money anymore these days?
I might not make a lot of money and should not be spending money on cars period but if you actually cut out all of the dumb stuff like eating out, going out, drinking at the bar...just do this for a month or whatever and you will have enough to basically buy anything you want.
People i meet on the streets usually think i get paid very well, i tell them i just know how to save. I'm not saying to starve yourself and dress like a bum but people literally throw away money every month and not even realizing it.
For the people who say they don't' have enough money, no one knows how to save money anymore these days?
I might not make a lot of money and should not be spending money on cars period but if you actually cut out all of the dumb stuff like eating out, going out, drinking at the bar...just do this for a month or whatever and you will have enough to basically buy anything you want.
People i meet on the streets usually think i get paid very well, i tell them i just know how to save. I'm not saying to starve yourself and dress like a bum but people literally throw away money every month and not even realizing it.
10-04-2010 | 08:15 PM
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For the people who say they don't' have enough money, no one knows how to save money anymore these days?
I might not make a lot of money and should not be spending money on cars period but if you actually cut out all of the dumb stuff like eating out, going out, drinking at the bar...just do this for a month or whatever and you will have enough to basically buy anything you want.
People i meet on the streets usually think i get paid very well, i tell them i just know how to save. I'm not saying to starve yourself and dress like a bum but people literally throw away money every month and not even realizing it.
I might not make a lot of money and should not be spending money on cars period but if you actually cut out all of the dumb stuff like eating out, going out, drinking at the bar...just do this for a month or whatever and you will have enough to basically buy anything you want.
People i meet on the streets usually think i get paid very well, i tell them i just know how to save. I'm not saying to starve yourself and dress like a bum but people literally throw away money every month and not even realizing it.
As long as they are affordable and functional then I'm a happy camper.
