Hey all...

I usually post in the FI section... but now that my TT is done, im going for looks.

I went to Sarona Designs last weekend to make plans for a Hasemi 350Z replica body kit. It's a wide body... so Sal (the owner I guess) told me he needs me to get rims before he can make it, so the flare doesn't look stupid. He said about two inches more on the front and about 3 on the back... I would like to do 3 and 3 inches wider if thats possible...

Anyway there are two wheels I am interested in... The Volk 19' GT-C's or the BBS 19' RGR's.... question is... what do I do measurement wise?

I know what offsets are, but have no idea how they work in reality, and I read the first post about how deep dish rims can be bad.. so anyone care to help me out on what I need to do.... Rim specs? What do i do different for a wide body?

Also, I think im gonna go for 19x8.5 in the front and 19x9.5 in the back... does that sound good.... any suggestions on tires? Thanks

 

if you're going widebody, you can go like 19x10f and 19x13r with like +10 offsets. you really need measurements of how wide the new fenders will be to determine offset and wheel width.

 

these are 19x8.5 and 19x10
you should go even bigger with the flare kit ...bigger tires if you already have TT these are 245/35 front and 275/30 rear

 

i want to go 19x8.5 and 19x9.5....
Wont the wheels start to get heavy after that......and as wide as 13' will limit my choices by a lot wont they?

I know the two wheels ive mentioned the BBS and the Volk GT-C's come in those sizes.... what would I have to do to make the measurements work? Or do I have to get rims that wide?

 

Iforged, HRE, etc. can make any size wheel you want (from my understanding).... If your going widebody, go w/ what Moraccan Mole suggested, plus, the wider the wheels the more aggressive it'll look.... Besides, you've got the TT, a lil' weight here and there won't hurt too much... (Just get rid of the Spare tire to make up the difference, you won't need it anyways)

 

no matter what i believe you will have to custom order

if you want 8.5 and 9.5 you might even need a negative offset

im not trying to make assumptions but i am assuming () that you arnt really trying to save soo much money

any custom wheel company can make you wheels (iforged, hre, dpe, etc)

im sure volk can get you some wheels too but i think you gotta go at least 1 inch wider in front and back 9.5 and 10.5 (but people are doing those sizes without widebody)

like the other ppl said your gonna have to measure how much wider it makes the car (prob around 2-4 inches)

 

Oh and by the way...the widebody is going to add a TON of weight on the car...the extra 2 inches of width is nothing compared to the weight of those body parts

im estimating at LEAST 50 pounds being added from the kit...most prob more

and you should build a mock up of the fender flares BEFORE you buy the wheels..not the other way around

big bad black track is also doing a custom widebody to resemble the jgtc car...PM him

 

19" ARE MORE FOR LOOKS DONT THINK THE SIZE YOU WANT WILL LOOK RIGHT WITH ANY FENDER FLARES ...PERFORMANCE WISE 18" WOULD WORK BETTER

 

you really won't be able to run those size wheels and make it look correct.

lets say the widebody adds 3" to the front fender. (i hope my math is right) ... on a 8.5" wheel with a 0 offset, you would need appx a 50mm spacer to bring the wheel to the outside of the fender, thats not really practical or safe.

 

wheels for a widebody are gonna cost a grip. check out work, hre, iforged, dtm/jline (the wheels that mr b has on his car) ... any wheel company that will custom make offsets and widths.

 

thanks for the help guys.... when it comes to rims... i have no idea... It was never a big deal to me until now... heres what i found on hopupracing.com

For Volk SF challenge:

19x9.5 -11,-3,+3,+11,+15,+23,+28,+36,+40,+48 5x114.3 $568
19x10.5 -17,-9,+3,+11,+15,+23,+28,+36 5x114.3 $584

Will those widths work? And which of those offsets would be best for this setup? I think the stocks are 7.5 and 8.5 inches right? That would be +2

I was told to get rims first so it would be easier for me to get the ones I wanted. If he made the kit first then I would definatley have to go custom on rims... not that I'm bitching about money, obviously.... but every penny saved gets me more go-go parts for my car So... Im trying to look for wheels that i can just pretty much just go get.

Oh and for the offset... I kinda like the deepdish style, i think its called, but nothing dramatic... once again thanks for the help, I'll be sure to answer any questions you have about FI in the future !

 

sounds like whoever is making this kit for you ...will conform it to the size of the wheels you pick ... if thats the case dont worry jus pick the fattest lip ...u will have some neg camber but thats all good too

 

bruschijr- I was (am) in the same boat u r in. I am going with the VS kit (they r putting it on now). They suggest a 19x10.5 +17 for the front and a 19x12 -17 on the rear. These wheels are custom and can be had in the GTC or the challange. I had to settle for the normal 9.5 (+22) front and 10.5 (+24) rear for now (I have a show coming up at the end of the month and need my wheels) with 25 mm spacers.

This is getting me really close about an inch 1/3 front he side of the rear fender. Not ideal but they will work until I can order and wait the 90 days for custom GTCs or Maifos.

What wide body kit r u running?

 

I have to be the voice of reason here...

a) why do you want a widebody kit?

b) do you realize how much this is going to cost?

c) do you realize this is going to take some time, and did I mention money?

If you are doing this just because you heard it's the cool thing to do, and are worried about things like cost, adding weight, and wanting to have narrow wheels, I think you need to learn more about what you are doing before you commit to a HUGE change to your car. You need to be committed to invest more money in suspension parts, wheels, tires, camber kit, new sways, etc etc etc. A widebody kit is not a small undertaking.

Basically my point is that going with a widebody kit means "I want bigger wheels, bigger tires, and a really deep dish wheel". Putting anything less than 315mm wide rear tires would look ridiculous I think, with a widebody kit, and would probably make the car very unstable in the turns and turn very flat (unsafe like Morroccan Mole said).

I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just want to be more up front and harsh since others are beating around the bush. I'd hate to go into something not knowing myself, and then realize everyone painted me an unrealistic picture of what I was undertaking.

Completely pulling numbers out of my a**, I am thinking, ballpark, conservative:

Wheels $3000-4000
Tires $1500-2500
Suspension (including camber kit, sways) $1500-3500
Widebody kit, painted, installed $5000-10000

So, $11-20,000 for everything is what I am thinking, without friends in a shop, special insider deals, etc.

Someone feel free to tell me these amounts are crazy, but I think they are probably on the very reasonable side. I didn't even include brakes, custom fabrication, labor (which could get ridiculously high), and other various things you will need done like alignment, wheel mounting, various installation of parts, etc etc. This will be a long process putting the car out of commission for a long time.

 

Before you go trying to figure out what rims and offsets you want, figure out what size tires you want. and if you want a stretched tire or no. At that point you can use backspacing measurements to figure out what offset to get. Figure out how wide the fenders are going to be, and then figure out your tire size, then figure out what rim width you want. then figure out the offset. And Rays makes all their 2 piece rims up to 13".

 

You can do a little something like this...





those are 19x9 and 19x10 custom built negative offsets.

or you can go extreme out back like some said above. But, if he's making the fenders tailored to the wheels you pick, its really up to you. Just how crazy do you want to get?

19x12 rears on a supra

 

bruchi - your best bet is to get the kit spec'd out first, then get wheels after...with sizes, etc like you are talking, there are no returns or exchanges, so you got to get it right!

let me know...I got some options in mind for you that I guarantee no one else will have

 

I'm getting this kit custom made to the wheels I get... not the other way around... I like that Idea better so then I dont have to worry about how the wheels will look on the finished product.

I do like some lip... but nothing too much... im thinking going with the -3 in the front and -9 in the back. I still have no idea what that means....besides I'll have a bigger lip... and my tires will come out farther... the question is... how much farther than stock... anyone know?

And as for a large investment that Rob Nance mentioned.... I've already gone FI with the Greddy TT kit.... which is not in any way cheap, sure the wide body will cost more... I understand that... I have already worked out a deal with sarona designs.

So if I was to get 9.5 with -3 and 10.5 with -9 what should I expect in width increase.... thanks for the help guys!!!

Z-1 Perf..... I'll be giving you a call later.

 

Volk makes the TE37 in magnesium (known as the TE37 Mag) and they go as wide as 13" I believe. They only come in 18" size, but are very light weight (around 13 lbs!).

 

volk te37's are only 13 lbs in the smaller sizes (i want to say the 14 inch rims but i may be wrong)