Kinetix plenum shoot out / Stock car / plus more

ACEMAN · 08-07-2006, 06:34 PM

Im sure some of you really want to know what i found out today.

Here is what we did. Test car was a 2003 6spd touring model.
The dyno was a dynojet. All pulls were done in 4th gear. And the ECU was reset in between each mod.

2 pulls each, these are the best results.

The tests were:

Dyno 1 = STOCK
Dyno 2 = Ported Lower Plenum
Dyno 3 = Ported Lower Plenum + JWT intake
Dyno 4 = Ported Lower Plenum + JWT intake + V5 Kinetix Plenum
Dyno 5 = Ported Lower Plenum + JWT intake + V5 Kinetix Plenum + Ported Throttle Body
Dyno 6 = Kinetix SSV + JWT intake + Ported Throttle Body

Dyno 1 STOCK we managed to pull 238HP/224TQ not bad base line
Dyno 2 241HP/228TQ
Dyno 3 244HP/226TQ
Dyno 4 243HP/229TQ
Dyno 5 244HP/229TQ Ported Throttle body did not do much

Dyno 6 235HP/221TQ As you see the SSV lost HP over the V5 and alot of TQ

Here are the dyno graphs

Later
Aceman

ACEMAN · 08-07-2006, 06:35 PM

And the Kinetix SSV

VN_350z · 08-07-2006, 06:41 PM

Good write up

Alberto · 08-07-2006, 07:22 PM

Excellent! Im sure people will b!tch and comlain and look for an excuse, but Id trust your write up over a shops anyday. One thing if you could, can you post the other runs for the set-ups as well, that way we can average the 2 runs...nice job! SSV = JUNK

Edit-BTW the #'s are Standard corrected not SAE but thats ok...

StarcraftBW · 08-07-2006, 09:21 PM

AWESOME....thread of the month

3hree5ive0ero · 08-07-2006, 09:30 PM

very nice

davidv · 08-07-2006, 09:42 PM

Thanks for the important information. Kinetix plenum mods have been losing credibility since the Sport Z magazine tests.
The V5 Kinetix Plenum lost 1 horsepower.
And the SSV lost another 2.

So I suppose that both are for sale.

ACEMAN · 08-08-2006, 05:28 AM

Thanks Alberto

Yeah, im sure someone will B!tch, but oh well

it is what it is.

I dont have the print out for the other pulls, just what i posted. And i wanted SAE but i did not notice until we were on the third mod and by then i wanted them all to match.

The SSV did make 4 HP over stock but lost 3 TQ. And when compared to the V5 it lost 2 HP and 8 TQ. I could not believe how much TQ it lost.

Tested my ported TB and it did not do much but did alittle maybe 1HP and 1TQ

Need to install a larger MAF housing and i think it will do better.

Glad we finally got the tests done

I hope everyone appriciates what we did lastnight. We spent $250 on the dyno and 2 hours of our time.

Later
Aceman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alberto

Excellent! Im sure people will b!tch and comlain and look for an excuse, but Id trust your write up over a shops anyday. One thing if you could, can you post the other runs for the set-ups as well, that way we can average the 2 runs...nice job! SSV = JUNK

Edit-BTW the #'s are Standard corrected not SAE but thats ok...

ACEMAN · 08-08-2006, 05:31 AM

I would not take anything away from the V5 for a NA car. But the SSV is better suited for a FI car in my opinion.

I have another dyno that i forgot to post lastnight. It shows the STOCK pull and the best pull from the V5 and SSV on the same dyno graph. Will post that up once i get off work today.

Later
Aceman

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidv

Thanks for the important information. Kinetix plenum mods have been losing credibility since the Sport Z magazine tests.
The V5 Kinetix Plenum lost 1 horsepower.
And the SSV lost another 2.

So I suppose that both are for sale.

ct350z · 08-08-2006, 06:51 AM

is there anywhere you can get a larger maf housing thats compatible with the stock z one or do you have to go custom and make a bigger one from some other cars maf? i've been intrested in trying this but dont know where to start!!!!

ACEMAN · 08-08-2006, 07:40 AM

It will have to be custom, and you will need engine management of some sort. By making the housing larger your MAF sensor and ECU wont know what to do with the extra air passing through the housing.

later
Aceman

Quote:

Originally Posted by tany009

is there anywhere you can get a larger maf housing thats compatible with the stock z one or do you have to go custom and make a bigger one from some other cars maf? i've been intrested in trying this but dont know where to start!!!!

StarcraftBW · 08-08-2006, 08:13 AM

^^^Do you have picture of the ported plenum AceMan?

ct350z · 08-08-2006, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aceman

It will have to be custom, and you will need engine management of some sort. By making the housing larger your MAF sensor and ECU wont know what to do with the extra air passing through the housing.

later
Aceman

yeah i got a utec so i'll be fine. just need to invent something. i was also thinking of porting the plenum mouth that connects to the throttle body since i have a ported one as well.

ACEMAN · 08-08-2006, 09:12 AM

Here you go

http://my350z.com/forum/engine-drivetrain-and-forced-induction-diy/187392-diy-plenum-porting-4.html

Post 193 and 194

Later
Aceman

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarcraftBW

^^^Do you have picture of the ported plenum AceMan?

turismo · 08-08-2006, 03:24 PM

I thought the ssv was intended for turbo applications anyway. There are many factors that can attribute to your findings. I'm pretty sure with hp numbers exceeding 500+, you would see a significant increase in power over others. Eventhough this was a nice comparison, it does not offer anything that I needed to know.

siksilver350z · 08-08-2006, 04:08 PM

i am in orlando, and will be getting my car tuned soon by central florida turbo, they are very reputiable. If some one in orlando or near by has a v5 , i have an ssv that i am going to be putting on after the first pull. I have a single turbo kit, and i plan on doing a base run with the reflash, then a retune on the skunk 5/8 spacer , then switching to my ssv and doing a final tune some where around 400hp, but if some one would like to bring a v5 , and help me swap it , ill do a run or 2 on it. I ll be more than happy to post the dyno sheets and results, ill pay for all the dyno time as well.. i think it is great when poeple step up and and put these things to there test.

Acree · 08-08-2006, 04:13 PM

Great write up. It's about time someone independently tested the SSV. I'm not too suprised by the results. Thanks for your contribution to the VQ community.

-Acree

Silkk · 08-08-2006, 04:17 PM

I had JWT Intake and Tanabe Exhaust prior to my Kinetix V5 install.

I believe prior numbers were around 237whp, after numbers around 242whp, so it made power for me? I believe davidv was on hand that day to see the pull and dyno.

Silkk · 08-08-2006, 04:19 PM

Erm... I might actually have the V4, not sure if it makes a difference.

SungNamZ · 08-08-2006, 10:24 PM

[quote=aceman]I would not take anything away from the V5 for a NA car. But the SSV is better suited for a FI car in my opinion.

+1 With a GOOD tune!

08-07-2006, 07:22 PM	#4
Alberto Cranky FI Owner 2003 NISSAN 350Z Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 22,155 iTrader: (12)	Excellent! Im sure people will b!tch and comlain and look for an excuse, but Id trust your write up over a shops anyday. One thing if you could, can you post the other runs for the set-ups as well, that way we can average the 2 runs...nice job! SSV = JUNK Edit-BTW the #'s are Standard corrected not SAE but thats ok... __________________ PFSupercars Wanna see my Z go 170+mph? Click Me *More Videos*

08-07-2006, 09:30 PM	#6
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08-07-2006, 09:42 PM	#7
davidv Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 32,787 iTrader: (0)	Thanks for the important information. Kinetix plenum mods have been losing credibility since the Sport Z magazine tests. The V5 Kinetix Plenum lost 1 horsepower. And the SSV lost another 2. So I suppose that both are for sale. __________________ 350Z 2004 Enthusiast: K&N Typhoon Air Intake - Motordyne Plenum Spacer - Alphawerks Stainless Steel Headers - Helix SS Test Pipes - Injen Super SES Cat-Back Exhaust System - 6 Pad Puck Ceramic Clutch and Forged Steel Flywheel by Competition Clutch - WedsSport SA-70

08-08-2006, 04:17 PM	#18
Silkk Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Harrisburg, PA Posts: 2,018 iTrader: (11)	I had JWT Intake and Tanabe Exhaust prior to my Kinetix V5 install. I believe prior numbers were around 237whp, after numbers around 242whp, so it made power for me? I believe davidv was on hand that day to see the pull and dyno. __________________ 03 CS Enthusiast: Aersosync Front w/ EVO-R Duct, Veilside Sides/Rear, 19" Sportmax962, KICS 15mm Spacers, Hotchkis Suspension, JWT ntake, Kinetix V4 Plenum, Unorthodox UDP, AAM Test Pipes, Borla True-Dual Exhaust, AAM Reflash and Tuning, Leatherseats.com Seats, JVC/Farenheit DVD Setup in Cubby, and Other Misc. Odds and Ends

08-08-2006, 04:19 PM	#19
Silkk Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Harrisburg, PA Posts: 2,018 iTrader: (11)	Erm... I might actually have the V4, not sure if it makes a difference. __________________ 03 CS Enthusiast: Aersosync Front w/ EVO-R Duct, Veilside Sides/Rear, 19" Sportmax962, KICS 15mm Spacers, Hotchkis Suspension, JWT ntake, Kinetix V4 Plenum, Unorthodox UDP, AAM Test Pipes, Borla True-Dual Exhaust, AAM Reflash and Tuning, Leatherseats.com Seats, JVC/Farenheit DVD Setup in Cubby, and Other Misc. Odds and Ends

08-07-2006, 06:41 PM	#3
VN_350z Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 2,612 iTrader: (3)	Good write up

08-07-2006, 09:21 PM	#5
StarcraftBW Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 950 iTrader: (10)	AWESOME....thread of the month

08-08-2006, 06:51 AM	#10
ct350z Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 14,398 iTrader: (6)	is there anywhere you can get a larger maf housing thats compatible with the stock z one or do you have to go custom and make a bigger one from some other cars maf? i've been intrested in trying this but dont know where to start!!!!

08-08-2006, 08:13 AM	#12
StarcraftBW Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 950 iTrader: (10)	^^^Do you have picture of the ported plenum AceMan?

08-08-2006, 03:24 PM	#15
turismo 350Z-holic Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: curl lookin boy Posts: 8,881 iTrader: (33)	I thought the ssv was intended for turbo applications anyway. There are many factors that can attribute to your findings. I'm pretty sure with hp numbers exceeding 500+, you would see a significant increase in power over others. Eventhough this was a nice comparison, it does not offer anything that I needed to know.

08-08-2006, 04:08 PM	#16
siksilver350z Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: orlando Posts: 87 iTrader: (4)	i am in orlando, and will be getting my car tuned soon by central florida turbo, they are very reputiable. If some one in orlando or near by has a v5 , i have an ssv that i am going to be putting on after the first pull. I have a single turbo kit, and i plan on doing a base run with the reflash, then a retune on the skunk 5/8 spacer , then switching to my ssv and doing a final tune some where around 400hp, but if some one would like to bring a v5 , and help me swap it , ill do a run or 2 on it. I ll be more than happy to post the dyno sheets and results, ill pay for all the dyno time as well.. i think it is great when poeple step up and and put these things to there test.

08-08-2006, 04:13 PM	#17
Acree Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: DFW Posts: 2,325 iTrader: (28)	Great write up. It's about time someone independently tested the SSV. I'm not too suprised by the results. Thanks for your contribution to the VQ community. -Acree

08-08-2006, 10:24 PM	#20
SungNamZ Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 1,674 iTrader: (0)	[quote=aceman]I would not take anything away from the V5 for a NA car. But the SSV is better suited for a FI car in my opinion. +1 With a GOOD tune! __________________ 2003 "Tour" Brickyard 5AT w/Vortech SC. Tuning by Ryan @ Speed Dreams: 416 RWHP 311 Torque The "1st" Kinetix SSV, Borla TD Exhaust, R/T High Flow Cats, Koni Shocks, 350EVO Sways, Eibach Springs, NGK Iridium Plugs LFR6AIX-11, SSR GT3 18" X 9" +31 w/Michelin PS2 245/40 (F) 265/40 (R), Rotora Rotors w/Axxis "Ultimate" Pads, Eclipse AVX2494, Passport 8500 X50

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