0002S

I am completely amazed at the majority of the post in this thread.

Before you ask: I own an S2000 and have driven the 350Z. I respect both cars for what they can do, but I like a convertable more.

Reality:

1. Magazine times are NEVER to be belived, although fun to talk about.
2. Most of the posters do not own either cars, let alone, have driven either car.
3. Both cars, driven by reasonably good drivers, will preform about the same +/-
4. S2000 should be clasiffied as a roadster and the 350Z should be clasified as a GT coupe.
5. The majority of drivers in both cars will NEVER see sub 13 sec 1/4 mile times. (most of you can't drive that well and have never even run on a 1/4 mile track).

Wait till some magazine rates the 350Z in the high 15 sec range or compares the new Neon SRT-4 and pics it as the overall winner. We can all go over to the Dodge forums and give'm hell.

95yellovett

I think those 0-60 times for the S2000 are about
right.I never saw that car going from 0-60 in less
than 6 seconds.When the magazines were getting the
high 5 second to 60 runs they admitted to spinning the motor
up and dumping the clutch.How long could a clutch last like
that.The car just does not have the torque to be a good
stoplight racer.
Just my 2 cents.
95yellovett(Z07)

0002S

To get almost ALL manual cars to launch well, you have to rev to 60% +/- max rpms and drop the clucth (your's included). Most cars do not rev to 9000 rpms, and that is why 6200 rpm launches looks high.

Is dropping the clutch in any car good for the clutch?????

sub 6 sec 0-60 times for S2000 are quite possible

0002S:
Who is always amazed at people who comment on cars that they have neither drove nor raced. JM2C

mav

Arm chair driving is fun ain't it?

As far as being a good stoplight racer goes, tell that to the two owners of two separate new 911 Carrera's that I have beaten with my S2000. It's not always about the car, its about how you drive the car.

0002S

Go Badgers.

brushman

Zoro

You beat a new 911 with a honda?

I'd have to see it to believe it. He must have been breaking it in.

I got a call from the guy I'm gonna buy my new S2000 from. He tells me I can get in it for less than msrp. But I already have 2 cars in storage so I'm waiting for may.

If anyone else out there is planning on getting a s2k I can hook you up with him.

0002S

Faster cars with bad drivers are beat by lesser cars with better drivers everyday.

I know Honda Troll and he will and has raced almost everything. I'd belive him when win and loses.

Many people do not know how to drive what they own.
A well drive S2000 (or for that matter a 350Z) is not that far off a 911 C2/4. Through in a bad driver and you have a lose.

mav

Please don't generalize or categorize.

Believe what you want, yes one had a temp tag on his car. I raced him in my old Yellow S2000 only one week after I purchased it. Mine surely wasn't broken in yet, maybe neither was his. We raced 4 times from light to light. All 4 times same results. I beat him by 1/2 car.

The second time, I was in my new White S2000 and encountered a new model 911 Carrera with a perm tag. We launched at the green, he jumped out 1 car in front but by 2nd gear I was pulling hard and reeled him in by 3rd. We headed into these series of curves and I was ahead by maybe 1/2 a car or less, and I gained on him further as we negotiated the series of turns. I am assuming he lifted off... We stopped at the red light, he yelled out... "Good race, sweet car you got." I thanked him, told him the same and we went about our way.

So this is my story of my little honda beating two 911's.

gouki

Isn't that great.

Trolls coming in to justify the S2000 and calling it a 911 beater!

There is more likelyhood that anyone's 350z will achieve sub 6 seconds 0-62mph and a sub 14 seconds 1/4 mile than an S2000 achieving those times. Please don't make me explain why. This topic has been beaten to death at your forum.

So far, no one has answered my question, is the 350z a sports car or not? I'm interested to know from people who OWNS it, not people who has DRIVEN/SEEN/DREAM ABOUT it.

raceboy

Can a mod please ban the idiot above. I mean, look at the name he chose for himself. By the very nature of his name, every post is a flame. This is getting old quick. Maybe we should all go over to the s2ki board (by the way, I am a member there and have never felt the childish and pathetic need to troll there) and pick names like this (please don't, this is just to make a point):

S2KSUX
S2K4***S
GAYS2K
$35KCIVIC
S2KINMYWAY
WANNABEMIATA

Get the idea???

S2kRob

Steve is right on the sports car definition. It doesn't have to be fast to be a sports car, that's a pretty common misconception. Actually, I bought the S2000 because I wanted to try a real sports car experience, even if it isn't the fastest car on the block. And it is a very interesting experience, that's for sure.

I pretty much view the ultimate sports car as the Lotus Super Seven. Everything looks like a GT next to it.

P.S., Steve, I think Honda fixed the number 4 failure for the 02 model year. . .

raceboy

What did Honda determine to be the cause of the #4 failures and what did they do to remedy it?

mav

1. I ain't a troll.

2. I don't have to justify my car of choice.

3. I never said that the S2000 is a 911 beater.

You obviously missed my point... It isn't always about the car, but about driver skill. I'm sure that a few 350Z owners are more than capable of holding their own against a 911 Carrera.

And yes, the Z is a sports car. No I don't owe one, almost did however but decided to look into buying an used NSX instead. I do have extensive seat time, since my best friend owes one. A black with orange Touring.

raceboy, as far as I understand it, part of the failures were caused by the loosening of the OEM spark plugs over time. Over the summer, Honda has issued a recall for all S2000's for the update to be made.

redz32/bluez33

0002S, you have hit the nail on the head with:

4. S2000 should be clasiffied as a roadster and the 350Z should be clasified as a GT coupe.

Of course, your spellings of "classified" leave something to be desired, but that is splitting hairs. Yes-the 350Z is a GT coupe! Everyone out there who thinks otherwise needs to educate themselves about what makes one vehicle classification different from another. And the 350Z, with it's size, weight, equipment, configuration, and power, falls right smack in the middle of the GT coupe class. Now, I'm off to the sweet dreamland, for tomorrow I pick up mine from the dealer.....ordered 10/11, delivered 11/8! At MSRP-No $11K markups for me! I may not be back here for awhile, the open road beckons....

gouki

Mav,

Sorry if it seemed that I was targetting you, I wasn't really. I was just reading off from a whole bunch of posts and just summarised my response.

350z a GT? hmm..... I noticed that people who don't like the Zs like to call it a GT and not a true sports car. Well, can't do anything about that.

95yellovett

Actually 002S you are wrong!A manual transmission
car with alot of torque(Corvette,Viper,etc)does not require
the driver to spin up the motor at all.If you will read some
of the techinques used in aquiring the best 0-60 times
for these car's the launch is at about 1800-2200 rpms.
The S2000 and other low torque output cars do however
require alot or RPM's for a quick takeoff.And a clutch could
not possibly last using those techniques.
95yellovett(Z07)

BioBanker

Yellovette, I do not think that anyone will question whether or not you have to launch the S at a higher rev range to get a good time than a vette, but I am not so sure that you can discount the S' ability, or the ability of any car that you have to rev high, because of that.

Times are times. They outline the best that the car as it sits is able to do. In my mind, launching technique is irrelevant. Based upon your rational, I could say that "sure, the vette is fast, but look at all the gas you have to use to get it up to speed. If you want to extend the life of your available gas, you have to drive it much slower"....

I am NOT suggesting that gas consumption matters at all, I am only pointing out that I believe that where you dump the clutch is not relevant to a discussion as to how fast a car is. If you consider the technique reasonable or not, times are times.

Yes, I own an S.

0002S

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 95yellovett
Actually 002S you are wrong!A manual transmission
car with alot of torque(Corvette,Viper,etc)does not require
the driver to spin up the motor at all.If you will read some
of the techinques used in aquiring the best 0-60 times
for these car's the launch is at about 1800-2200 rpms.[QUOTE]
Again:

I do not read techniques, I drive cars. If you don't get a car into the powerband before launch, you will bog and not launch well.

Based on the dynos I've seen
1995 corvette LT1 (stock) A formitable car, I might add.
At 1800 rpms you are making less than 110 wrhp and less than 250 whtq.
At 2200 rpms you are making less than 140 wrhp and 270 wrtq.

Launch at these rmps with those big sticky tires and you will BOG and your 60 ft times will stink.
I agree that a lower torque car need to raise rpms to launch well. What I disagree is that the S2000 6000 rpm launch is that high. It is only 67% of total rpms. (Launch your vette at 3000 rpms and shift at 5000 rpm, where power starts to fall, and you are at 60% of total rpms) I will agree that launching any car at high rpms is not the best for the clutch or differential. But, I have the disagree that the S2000 is any more prone to high launch rpm drivetrain failures than any other car.

Sorry to waist time aguring about a Vette and an S2K.

Back to the 350Z and its greatness.