For those doing their stereos - "Z" amps
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Originally posted by infinite z
Well that sucks alot then. I can't afford to lose any of what space there is in the hatch. I gotta put my hockey gear back there.
Well that sucks alot then. I can't afford to lose any of what space there is in the hatch. I gotta put my hockey gear back there.
Why do you say it's not true that bass is omnidirectional? I always heard it was.
It is true that bass is more omnidirectional. Basically, the lower you go, the less your brain can tell the direction of the sound. This is because lower frequencies will actually vibrate right thru your head (normally your head blocks wavelengths), meaning they'll reach both ears at roughly equivalent times.
However, if your sub is in a really poor location, your brain will still be able to tell its direction by using IID. So you can't just put it "anywhere". This is true of home audio too. Just saying "bass is omnidirectional" is too vague. What's bass? What frequency? Where's the source? Nearby? Far away?
Anyways, none of this should apply to the sub behind the seat question. That's more a matter of angling the sub so that it gets the most consistent sound and has the best enclosure. The enclosure is 90% of the sound of the sub. I'm not sure if you can get a properly tuned enclosure in that small space.
Despite all this text, I'm really not an expert on subs in cars. rpgonzalez is a better source.
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Sorry to get back on topic, but is there any info on the z6000 amp? It looks perfect for me, especially since I'm getting hte lemans color! I did a search online as well as in dejanews and I cant find much on it. Is it a new amp? Is it on par with a a/d/s/ orion, etc? I am more high end w.r.t. quality.
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Originally posted by nizl
Hey Apex, which JL W sub do you have (0/3/6/7)?
Hey Apex, which JL W sub do you have (0/3/6/7)?
I saw the W7 at a local shop, man that thing is HUGE!! it was just a 10in also... I don't think I can fit the W7 and still have space left in the hatch area.. If I have a bigger area to work with, I'm definitely interested in the W7....
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Originally posted by ninepoint5
by the way apexi, where r u planning 2 put the 6.4 monitor?.......where the nav. is?
by the way apexi, where r u planning 2 put the 6.4 monitor?.......where the nav. is?
You can even hide it with the cover...what a great place!
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Originally posted by Subw00er
Sorry to get back on topic, but is there any info on the z6000 amp? It looks perfect for me, especially since I'm getting hte lemans color!
Sorry to get back on topic, but is there any info on the z6000 amp? It looks perfect for me, especially since I'm getting hte lemans color!
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Originally posted by wxtornado
what about the temperatures that these amps can reach - should we be concerned about that?
what about the temperatures that these amps can reach - should we be concerned about that?
If you're trying to go huge, like 2+ 12" and 1000w, you'll probably need to replace the alternator and add a second battery too.
It turns out that b/c of Ohm's Law and some other physics stuff, the more amperes you have, the cooler things run, because the voltage is lower. However, if your amperage is insufficient, then the voltage increases, and everything starts getting hot. Or something like that.
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If you want a lot of sound out of a small speaker, try using an Orion XTR Pro 10" sub. I have been in car audio for quite some time and from my experience these are the one of the best subs for the size and price. They can hold alot of power also, but they sound good with minimal power. Alot of clean clear bass...especially in a liftback like the Z.
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i agree the orion XTR's r good speaker , but require a little 2 much space........i think that the kicker solobaric 10" is better though.....i requires much less space(.66 cu. ft.), can handle alot of power, clean tight bass, and they look kewl 2(square).........just my thought though.......
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Yeah, space is gonna be a killer. I want to put a JL 12W7 in there really badly, but I don't see how it would be possible without taking up the whole trunk.
I've read good things about the Adire Brahmas, and they supposedly work really well in < 1 cu ft of space.
I've read good things about the Adire Brahmas, and they supposedly work really well in < 1 cu ft of space.
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Originally posted by CaneZMD
Does anyone know the size of factory speakers in the Z??
Does anyone know the size of factory speakers in the Z??
- Two 6.5" speakers mounted in the front doors
- Two 6.5" speakers mounted in the rear, behind seats
- One 10" sub behind driver's seat (Bose only)
http://www.zcar.com/forums/read.php?f=5&i=27636&t=27636
And is the Stock radio slot a double din size or some odd size??
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Wow, that page says the stock amp is mounted in the rear. I wonder where!?!? It would be great to just run 4 gauge back there and have the speaker hookups ready to go!
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LOL nizl... Im definetely not a theoretical expert, but I have experimented with placement a lot.The only guess I have ever made is that the hatch of a car (or the corner of a room) acts like the body of an acoustic guitar.The sub works off of the resonant frequencies of the materials surrounding it. In my 300zx, there was a HUGE difference between rear facing corner placement and front facing mid placement. I mean, the sub did nothing in the middle facing forward. I have also tried numerous time to achieve satisfactory results by placing the sub right behind the seat of my civic, and it sounds like S@#T.
Imagine: no matter how close a guitar string is to your ear, itll never be as good as adding a guitar body....
Imagine: no matter how close a guitar string is to your ear, itll never be as good as adding a guitar body....
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I remebered something else....
For surfaces to reflect wavelenghts constructively instead of destructively you want the waves coming from the speaker to be in phase with the waves bouncing off the wall. Out of phase happens at 1/8 the wavelength and up, so the sub should not be any further than 1/8 of a wavelength from the surfaces that the waves are bouncing off of.
Since a sub normally operates at about 60Hz (20-80 or 20-120 depending on crossover) then formula says a wavelength from a sub is about 4 meters long (or roughly 4 yards). This means that a sub should be 50 cm or about 20 inches or less away from reflecting surfaces.
The bose sub in more that 20 inches from the roof and the back of the car. With an aftermarket, the sub can bounce off sides, roof, back...the curvature of the rear hatch area can act like a satellite dish.
I need to get coffee now and stop talking....
For surfaces to reflect wavelenghts constructively instead of destructively you want the waves coming from the speaker to be in phase with the waves bouncing off the wall. Out of phase happens at 1/8 the wavelength and up, so the sub should not be any further than 1/8 of a wavelength from the surfaces that the waves are bouncing off of.
Since a sub normally operates at about 60Hz (20-80 or 20-120 depending on crossover) then formula says a wavelength from a sub is about 4 meters long (or roughly 4 yards). This means that a sub should be 50 cm or about 20 inches or less away from reflecting surfaces.
The bose sub in more that 20 inches from the roof and the back of the car. With an aftermarket, the sub can bounce off sides, roof, back...the curvature of the rear hatch area can act like a satellite dish.
I need to get coffee now and stop talking....
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This is really kind of a petty question to try and fill the blackhole weekend gaps in my mind, but does increasing the volume and/or wattage going to a speaker change the period enough to introduce a "fine tuning" of the sub... moving it an inch or so this way or that for specific volume/power so that the waves bounce "just right"... does that make sense? That'd be pretty cool if you could see the wavelengths bouncing around, eh? Also, how does the wave fade over time? The more power, the higher the frequency (tighter period)... do the Min and Max move closer together as the signal fades?
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