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I hate to be accused of sounding like the other forum but.... I find it hard if not impossible to believe that no one else has gotten a copy of this so called C&D. I usually don't get mine until the 15 of the month but have seen it in the store around the 7th. Also the embargo is still in effect so I doubt it is real. Also the weight is much higher than anticipated. Also I am a little skepticle of the 0-60. And this is this guy's first post? Does anyone else see a smoking gun? Any way thats my take so flame away.
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In response to AtlZ - I must correct the "S2000 fan". 2000Rdstr refers to my 1968 Datsun Roadster 2000 (almost fully restored) that I own - not the Honda. As far as the only one to have the August Car and Driver I'm surprised that no one in this forum has received one. I live 30 minutes northeast of Nashville, TN and always receive about this time of the month. As far as scanning the rest of the article I had enought trouble (I don't use the scanner that much) trying to get it "down to size" and still didn't make it. Jmanz was kind enough to take my email and get in the thread. You won't hurt my feelings with any flames as I have felt the samer paranoia over other info in this forum.
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Can you imagine what the Nissan execs are feeling as they read this thread? They deliver more than ever promised and only get heartache.
Another theory, maybe they sent 2000Rdstr his issue two weeks early to gauge reaction from the Z community......
Another theory, maybe they sent 2000Rdstr his issue two weeks early to gauge reaction from the Z community......
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Originally posted by 2000Rdstr
In response to AtlZ - I must correct the "S2000 fan". 2000Rdstr refers to my 1968 Datsun Roadster 2000 (almost fully restored) that I own - not the Honda. As far as the only one to have the August Car and Driver I'm surprised that no one in this forum has received one. I live 30 minutes northeast of Nashville, TN and always receive about this time of the month. As far as scanning the rest of the article I had enought trouble (I don't use the scanner that much) trying to get it "down to size" and still didn't make it. Jmanz was kind enough to take my email and get in the thread. You won't hurt my feelings with any flames as I have felt the samer paranoia over other info in this forum.
In response to AtlZ - I must correct the "S2000 fan". 2000Rdstr refers to my 1968 Datsun Roadster 2000 (almost fully restored) that I own - not the Honda. As far as the only one to have the August Car and Driver I'm surprised that no one in this forum has received one. I live 30 minutes northeast of Nashville, TN and always receive about this time of the month. As far as scanning the rest of the article I had enought trouble (I don't use the scanner that much) trying to get it "down to size" and still didn't make it. Jmanz was kind enough to take my email and get in the thread. You won't hurt my feelings with any flames as I have felt the samer paranoia over other info in this forum.
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Not complaining, just very skeptical. Now why in the world would they put a "pre-production" vehicle on the front cover of a prestigious magazine when the vehicle launch is just around the corner, and I am sure they could have gotten their hands on a production spec car. I seriously doubt Nissan would allow a test drive and article of a less-than spec car. Either this is it or I dont know what. No flames please....just a Z fan that stays quiet until he notices something fishy.
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Those of you who think some of us are "complaining" just remember....there are SOME of us who have been following the new Z just as long as you.......in my case, I felt this subject needed some attention considering the concern I have. I am concerned that Nissan set Some of us up to think this would outperform the Boxster S and run with the M....(just remember the comparison on Nissandriven.com) if the numbers are right, this car is good competition for the Mustang Gt (although the GT is a huge waste of space) .....I still anxioulsy wait for my Z for Nissans reputation for excellent build quality and reliability, and maybe my hopes were too high. The way Nissan has promoted the car over the past year made it sound like a true performer (with the likes of BMW M and Boxster S), but these numbers seem to undercut MOST of us by quite a bit. On a good note, the trap speed does seem fast for 14.1, and I am optomistic to see what other publications get.
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If you want to squeeze a couple of extra tehths out of your car, slap a K&N in it, run synthetic fluds, and put about $500 into 'silly' mods..
For under $30k, you're not foing to get a formula 1 car, just deal with it. You're getting a car that will beat up on most of the ricers out there, and **** off a few Boxster owners too. If you're that upset about the car, sell your place in line to someone who would be proud to own the car.
I know that when my Daytona Blue comes in August, I'll be a happy camper. You won't hear a gripe out of me whatsoever.. If it seems a little sluggish, I'll just do some mods that won't void the warranty at all..
The bottom line here is, if you're not happy, don't buy it. Nobody's twisting your arm to buy the car. You can make your own choices.. Don't complain about it, just jump ship.
For under $30k, you're not foing to get a formula 1 car, just deal with it. You're getting a car that will beat up on most of the ricers out there, and **** off a few Boxster owners too. If you're that upset about the car, sell your place in line to someone who would be proud to own the car.
I know that when my Daytona Blue comes in August, I'll be a happy camper. You won't hear a gripe out of me whatsoever.. If it seems a little sluggish, I'll just do some mods that won't void the warranty at all..
The bottom line here is, if you're not happy, don't buy it. Nobody's twisting your arm to buy the car. You can make your own choices.. Don't complain about it, just jump ship.
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Originally posted by JmanZ
Not starting a flame... but come on Flyingscot... maybe you're not being reasonable here? -j-
Not starting a flame... but come on Flyingscot... maybe you're not being reasonable here? -j-
R&T's test weight for a 2000 Maxima SE was 3460lbs (that’s only 138lbs heavier). Think 4 door, 5 person, big trunk, leather, sunroof, etc. etc.
Now really, how can this 3322lb number be real?
The Z has aluminum hood, engine and suspension.
The Z has a carbon Fiber driveshaft
The Z has magnesium steering wheel (I think)
The Z is NOT a convertible or a T-Top.
So where's all the weight?
The Subaru WRX STi only weighs 3240lbs and the Lancer Evo is 100lbs lighter. Both are four door cars.
The other stats. are fine because you can add stuff, but, the weight thing is an issue because no one wants to strip their car.
I'm upset because in amateur racing (Track or Autocross) the Nissans (except the original Datsun 240Z and the 510) get their lunch handed to them by the other makes (both Japanese and BMW) because of one thing: WEIGHT. You cannot hide weight no matter what you do. It affects handling, braking and speed. A heavy car will eventually wear down the brakes, tires and finally the driver.
I really thought I could inject some respect for the Nissan products at the track, without having to hear "Oh, it's heavy" or "Weight's your issue" or "How much does that weight? Your joking!".
I'm sure on the highway the car will perform admirably ,but, in my opinion what Nissan needs is to dominate Showroom Stock, Touring and GT classes so the marquee can earn back a little respect from the racing camp and their friends. AND wait for it, do this without spending a million dollars to hide their mistakes.
Like I say, the other numbers are fine, but the weight (if true) is a huge disappointment, especially since my current Nissan is 2400lbs and handles like a dream (and it's still bloody over weight compared with the competition).
All I need now is someone in a Honda Civic Type-R (US bound) or Mini Cooper S to out maneuver me at the track - this would really make my day.
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Okay, rant over! As many of you can attest, I'm normally mild mannered and easy going. But I for one, really was looking for a lightweight high performance car for under $55,000. I thought the Z was it. I am disappointed because it looks like the one thing I wanted will not come to pass (or will it?
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I for one am not purchasing this car to "beat" every other car on the road. If I wanted to do that, I would have kept my CLK55 AMG. Instead, I sold it to buy a car (the Z) which has great lines and sends chills down my spine with it's looks. Stop pissing and moaning and enjoy your Z. No flame towards anyone, just am growing impatient.
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Ahhh, isn't this wonderful. I've never seen such a livelier conversation on here. This is better than watching prime time TV.
My opionion like many others in this post is simply what the cover of the mag states:
"ZERO TO 60 IN 5.4 FOR LESS THAN $27,000!"
My question to all those that are upset with the publication's stats is how many other "true" sports cars are out there for that price with that type of performance????
Hmmmm. I can't seem to think of any!!! I'm sure someone out there might correct me.
Let's not forget Nissan is a private run corporation with one thing on it's mind. PROFIT! They definitely aren't here to please every "Tom, Dick, & Harry." My hats off to them for bringing back the Z with that kind of performance at a very affordable price.
My opionion like many others in this post is simply what the cover of the mag states:
"ZERO TO 60 IN 5.4 FOR LESS THAN $27,000!"
My question to all those that are upset with the publication's stats is how many other "true" sports cars are out there for that price with that type of performance????
Hmmmm. I can't seem to think of any!!! I'm sure someone out there might correct me.
Let's not forget Nissan is a private run corporation with one thing on it's mind. PROFIT! They definitely aren't here to please every "Tom, Dick, & Harry." My hats off to them for bringing back the Z with that kind of performance at a very affordable price.
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Originally posted by 2000Rdstr
In response to AtlZ - I must correct the "S2000 fan". 2000Rdstr refers to my 1968 Datsun Roadster 2000 (almost fully restored) that I own - not the Honda. As far as the only one to have the August Car and Driver I'm surprised that no one in this forum has received one. I live 30 minutes northeast of Nashville, TN and always receive about this time of the month. As far as scanning the rest of the article I had enought trouble (I don't use the scanner that much) trying to get it "down to size" and still didn't make it. Jmanz was kind enough to take my email and get in the thread. You won't hurt my feelings with any flames as I have felt the samer paranoia over other info in this forum.
In response to AtlZ - I must correct the "S2000 fan". 2000Rdstr refers to my 1968 Datsun Roadster 2000 (almost fully restored) that I own - not the Honda. As far as the only one to have the August Car and Driver I'm surprised that no one in this forum has received one. I live 30 minutes northeast of Nashville, TN and always receive about this time of the month. As far as scanning the rest of the article I had enought trouble (I don't use the scanner that much) trying to get it "down to size" and still didn't make it. Jmanz was kind enough to take my email and get in the thread. You won't hurt my feelings with any flames as I have felt the samer paranoia over other info in this forum.
In your defense, when I saw someone who thought you were talking about the S2000, I immediately thought you were talking about the Datsun 2000. Glad to see you are a true enthusiast!!! Those are nice machines!!!! 1968 is a good year too.
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0.88g for this car is not good at all. The G35 pulled 0.86 in R&T's July issue and is almost 6" taller (higher CG) and only had 215/55R17 tires. The Z also has 1.3" wider front track and 1.5" wider rear. All of this must amount to more than 0.02g's. The argument that C&D is too conservative doesn't really apply for this test. Doesn't make sense to me, but I guess we'll see.
This car should have no problem reaching the 0.9's
This car should have no problem reaching the 0.9's
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Okay, I've calmed down and thought this thing through. I still stand by my previous post (but not the previous previous - cause that was Mr. Hide) but I'm fairly confident the weight quoted from the C&D article is the test weight and not the curb weight reported as 3180. 3180, while not super, is a very respectable number.
If the Z's weight is 3180 and no more, then people will enjoy this car more than the stats will show. Stats do not accurately convey the "driving experience" and so at least test drive this thing before you considered jumping ship. Also, I'm confident the Z will still stomp on its intended competition.
BTW: I hope Nissan has a bloody good reason for keeping us all pent up like this for so long. I swear it's going to be the end of me if I don't get some HARD numbers soon.
I guess I shouldn't have cancelled my subscription to C&D and Prozac.
If the Z's weight is 3180 and no more, then people will enjoy this car more than the stats will show. Stats do not accurately convey the "driving experience" and so at least test drive this thing before you considered jumping ship. Also, I'm confident the Z will still stomp on its intended competition.
BTW: I hope Nissan has a bloody good reason for keeping us all pent up like this for so long. I swear it's going to be the end of me if I don't get some HARD numbers soon.
I guess I shouldn't have cancelled my subscription to C&D and Prozac.
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In an earlier post I guessed at 0-60,1/4 mile and trap speed. The 6spd was 5.2-3; the 1/4 was under 14 secs and the trap spd was over a 100 mph. Okay, on this particular test, on a day with some driver and unknown weight figures I was 1 to 2 tenths of a second off. Hey people, anytime you can get those kind of numbers for the price, style and pedigree, you have picked a winner. For those of you who are disappointed, cough up a few $ for NISMO performance parts and put your foot to the floor.
I am completely satisfied because I'm more interested in how fast the car will go 20-40, 40-60, 60-80 and 80-100 rather than the stoplight Grand Prix. And, you can change the understeer to more neutral handling by putting same size tires on the back as are on the front, or by even putting a lot more air in the back tires. Nissan staggered the tire size to promote a bit of safer understeer, instead of the dreaded oversteer where the rear end of your car beats the front end and you around a fast corner. Porsche long ago discovered larger tires on the back helped reduce the "snap oversteer" that comes from having a rear engine car heavier in the back than the front. I read somewhere from a learned racer and suspension engineer that all high performance cars have a tendency to oversteer when you went through a really fast corner. Theres's more but I have pontificated more than enough
For the first test, I think the car fared very well and with the performance available for as low as $28,000, it sure leaves you plenty of opportunity to add aftermarket goodies which will beat the hell of a lot of much more expensive cars. It matchs closely both the S2000 and Boxster; and beats the Audi handily last time I looked.
I am going to love this car and I plan to keep it for a long time.
Boomer--how sweet it is.
I am completely satisfied because I'm more interested in how fast the car will go 20-40, 40-60, 60-80 and 80-100 rather than the stoplight Grand Prix. And, you can change the understeer to more neutral handling by putting same size tires on the back as are on the front, or by even putting a lot more air in the back tires. Nissan staggered the tire size to promote a bit of safer understeer, instead of the dreaded oversteer where the rear end of your car beats the front end and you around a fast corner. Porsche long ago discovered larger tires on the back helped reduce the "snap oversteer" that comes from having a rear engine car heavier in the back than the front. I read somewhere from a learned racer and suspension engineer that all high performance cars have a tendency to oversteer when you went through a really fast corner. Theres's more but I have pontificated more than enough
For the first test, I think the car fared very well and with the performance available for as low as $28,000, it sure leaves you plenty of opportunity to add aftermarket goodies which will beat the hell of a lot of much more expensive cars. It matchs closely both the S2000 and Boxster; and beats the Audi handily last time I looked.
I am going to love this car and I plan to keep it for a long time.
Boomer--how sweet it is.
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Originally posted by Flyingscot
...I'm fairly confident the weight quoted from the C&D article is the test weight and not the curb weight reported as 3180. 3180, while not super, is a very respectable number.
If the Z's weight is 3180 and no more, then people will enjoy this car more than the stats will show. Stats do not accurately convey the "driving experience" and so at least test drive this thing before you considered jumping ship. Also, I'm confident the Z will still stomp on its intended competition.
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...I'm fairly confident the weight quoted from the C&D article is the test weight and not the curb weight reported as 3180. 3180, while not super, is a very respectable number.
If the Z's weight is 3180 and no more, then people will enjoy this car more than the stats will show. Stats do not accurately convey the "driving experience" and so at least test drive this thing before you considered jumping ship. Also, I'm confident the Z will still stomp on its intended competition.
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Originally posted by Boomer
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I am completely satisfied because I'm more interested in how fast the car will go 20-40, 40-60, 60-80 and 80-100 rather than the stoplight Grand Prix. ....
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I am completely satisfied because I'm more interested in how fast the car will go 20-40, 40-60, 60-80 and 80-100 rather than the stoplight Grand Prix. ....
JK!
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That means they tested the base model. NO VLSD
That means they tested the base model. NO VLSD
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Are you out there Mr. C&D reader?
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Originally posted by Flyingscot
Are, maybe you are on to something (i.e. .88g). This is the problem with getting spoon fed with little itty bitty bits of info. The guy who posted the article hasn't provided any further clarification on the test weight or the model tested.
Are, maybe you are on to something (i.e. .88g). This is the problem with getting spoon fed with little itty bitty bits of info. The guy who posted the article hasn't provided any further clarification on the test weight or the model tested.
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