No, your better off killing him, because later if he can prove you were in the wronge to shoot him you will have to pay pain and suffering for the rest of his life, better kill him that way he cant prove anything, plus knee caps are hard to hit id rather hit him in the collar bone, much easier if you want to keep him alive,

Tim

 

Here is some interesting reading: (some from New Orleans...must read !!)
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Saved by my Gun
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That PT Cruiser video is NUTS! If he was beatin my Z, or any car that I was in I would have laid him out so fast it would make ur head spin, and you got like 30 witnesses so you should be cool on it too. I heard about a guy in Houston a couple years ago that had a situation kinda like this......
He was confronted with a guy at a stoplight that got out of his car and came up to this guy's window, broke it and started beating him. The guy that was gettin the beating pulled his gun out and shot the other guy in the face, got off scott free. (well, after a bunch of court dates and bs like that I'm sure)

 

Being able to defend our lives in our Z is just an added benefit of the foresight of our forefathers.


Honestly one of the most troubling quotes I've seen in a long time....just read through that a few times carefully and concentrate on the last few words. I hope Canada isn't breeding more Stalin Jr's.

 

everyone who thinks pepper spray is a good defense needs to think again in cold weather it doesnt work period two a person who is hopped up on any type of drug or is just on an adrenilne rush may not feel the effects until a few min. later giving him or her enough time to do some damage.

 

Foresight, or oversight?

Yeah, that came across a little harsher than I intended... poor choice of words. I don't mind being taxed to provide a social safety net, but I get frustrated with those who abuse it. I'm not sure what to do with them, but by punish, I did not fathom anything like what you'd find in a Stalin-like state.

 

nm ...

 

You watch too much TV bro. If you are that good to shoot someone under pressure in a spot the size of a 3 inch circle then have at it. You are also invited on my next hunting trips as well. If you pull a gun on someone then you better have full intentions to go through with it.

 

werd up yo brotha man? I hope someone shoots you in the face.

 

I think he was being sarcastic.

 

wow! you actually make enough money to get a Z???
ENGLISH translation please... your in america!!

 

exactly, if you have a gun be prepared to use it because guns make people angry, even more when one is pulled on them so you better be prepared to use it because the tables can turn real quick if that person gets your gun from you, and like I said hit them in the collar bone, the one onthe other side of the heart of course,

Tim

 

I could just see you trying to get the gun out of the glove compartment (behind the seat) before the carjacker shoots you... Not very practial.. Unless your carrying the gun on your person.. forget about it.. Ive carried a .380 Walther PPK for over 20 years. While in the Z, the only place to carry it in on my ankle.. but wearing shorts during the summer makes that impossable.. I think as the others have said, your watching too many action shows.. If someone wants my car and pulls a gun on me, They could have it..

Steve (k2we) Dobbs Ferry and Saratoga Springs, NY 36,246 miles since Sept 17,2002

 

Lexrst,
My comment about you being from Canada wasn't meant to be insulting. The point that I didn't make was that, being from Canada, you are going to have a much harder time understanding the American ideals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You were brought up and raised with a different set of beliefs and those will shape the way you see things. If you weren't raised to believe that you should have the freedom to make your own choices, make your own mistakes and learn from, etc, it's going to be difficult to change that way of thinking.

In addition, it's difficult to compare Canada, with a population of 33 million, to the USA, with population of nearly 300 million. The land mass of Canada is actually larger than the USA. Therefore, the Canadians simply don't experience the massive concentrations of people like we have. Of course, the USA can't possibly compare to Japan, Hong Kong, China, India, etc. Toronto comes close, at 4.5 million, but Los Angeles has 10 million. It's just different.

 

I'm Canadian and the last time I checked, we have ideals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We also believe in freedom to make our own decisions and make our own mistakes and learn from it.

Did you think the above was an American exclusive?

 

Ha ha ha... JPM... you're insulting Canada again whether you meant it or not. Your assessment of our freedom of thought, choice, etc is quite inaccurate. I'm not challenging your choice to carry a gun, just the reasoning so I can understand. Don't stereotype an entire country based on one person's comments on one specific subject.

As I posted earlier, while those statistics may not tell the whole story, they seem to be a pretty good indicator of why there is a difference in our cultures about attitudes towards carrying a gun. If you can justify that's what you need for your personal safety, then you should have the opportunity to get one, provided you are willing to take on the responsibility associated with owning one.

 

What I meant was that I wasn't trying to insult you personally. I don't mind insulting Canada, since everyone else in the world thinks it's OK to insult the USA. j/k

Lerxst, You can't deny that Canada has it's bits of socialism. Socialized medical care and not being able to own weapons are the two biggest things that come to mind. Yes, it's sad that we have a lot of problems in America, but it's also sad that people wait in Canada months for medical procedures that you can get here the same day. Even if you're dirt poor, you can walk into an emergency room and they have to treat you, regardless of the costs. The medical centers in places like Detroit are constantly treating Canadian patients who choose not to wait and pay with cold hard cash. As for guns, it's not that so many of us feel that we "need" to carry a gun, but the fact that we "can" carry a gun. Our nation was practically built on guns. The USA wouldn't exist if it weren't for the development of guns and ammunition.

ZelleH, please take my comments in context. I referred to the "American ideals of....". Those ideals are completely different from other countries'. The Canadian ideals of....would be different than ours. You can still pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but the American ideal of those is different. The words "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" appear in our <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence>Declaration of Independence</a>. To the best of my knowledge, no other country uses terms like these in their official documents.

Canada is quite possibly the closest to the USA in terms of these ideals, but we're still different. We went nuts when Clinton tried to socialize our health care system. In contrast, the UK and AU have completely moved to the liberal side. Take taxes for example. In the UK, gas is closing in on 1 pound/liter. For ease of math, let's assume the US is paying $3/gallon and the UK is paying 3.7 pounds/gallon (a gallon of gas is equal to 3.7 liters). That's $6.90 US per gallon, based on today's conversion rate. Of that $6.90, 76% ($5.24) of that is taxes (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/...is/933648.stm). So a gallon of gas in the UK is actually $1.66 or 90 pence/gallon which is 24 pence/liter. Wow, that's awful. By contrast, the worst tax rate in the US for gas in in PA, where the total tax is 49 cents per gallon. In terms of your bank account, I'll stick with buying gas here. This is a neat post from our neighbors to the north. http://www.policy.ca/weblog/2005/06/14/51/ Personally, you may not be that far off from the US ideals. Hell, you do drive a Z after all!

 

This is by far the most incorrect statement on this entire thread....if you have any knowledge about firearms and the responsibility that goes along with having them you would not say this. You do not carry a firearm for persuasion. The only time you pull a gun on someone, is if you plan to use it. The only time you fire a gun is if you intend to kill someone, and you ALWAYS aim center mass!!!!!!

 

There is no law that I know of that states that use of a firearm against a human is anything less than deadly force - if you shoot them in the big toe or between the eyes it's all the same. There is also no law that I know of that says you can kind of use deadly force - there is no gray area - you either can or can not.

When I can, and only if I have to, I will use all the deadly force necessary to eliminate the threat to my life. That normally means two to the center of mass, re-evaluate, and then a head shot if needed.

I am so very happy to have firearms and never having to use them, I can't imagine how poor I would feel if I needed one and didn't have one available.

The best defense against becoming a victim of violence is to be aware and to avoid confrontations whenever possible. But sadly sometimes it's not possible. A firearm is like a tool - a hammer, a power drill - and it isn't good or evil by itself. It's how that tool is used by the person with the tool that makes the difference.

I don't know of any tool that scares me or that I wouldn't want to have in my tool cabinet. I don't weld so if I bought a welding kit I would ensure that I read all the instructions, followed safety procedures, and possibly even get some expert training from a friend or at the local community college. I would expect no less from someone enjoying their Second Amedment rights here in America.

 

It's all good JPM. I don't take it personally. It's very difficult to have an effective debate by typing back and forth...

I think we are on the same track for the most part with some different interpretations due to cultural differences. I'm gonna have to brush up on the definition of socialism, cuz the way you make it out, it sounds like a ghastly thing. Maybe I'm thinking right-wing socialism. :P

Our healthcare system does have some significant problems... there is so much waste due to bureaucracy and abusers of the system. To blame it on socialism... hmmm... another debate.

For guns... this is could go on forever but I'm tired of typing. Stay safe