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06-28-2002, 01:21 AM
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wooglin,
are you posting to make a point? or to fan the flames of discontent? I don't see how any of your posts have been helpful. If you have a point you would like to make, please make it.
The point we are trying to address here is far bigger than you seem to understand...this is no longer about an article, or the numbers.
are you posting to make a point? or to fan the flames of discontent? I don't see how any of your posts have been helpful. If you have a point you would like to make, please make it.
The point we are trying to address here is far bigger than you seem to understand...this is no longer about an article, or the numbers.
06-28-2002, 01:38 AM
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Wow, I leave the board for a bit and people get snakey.
Let me make a few things perfectly clear because for whatever reason, some people just don't seem to get it.
This is a forum dedicated to the 350Z. Not dedicated to assclowns that don't get their way so they go crying to anyone that will listen. I gave my word that this site and forum would not break the rules that Nissan gave and I am going to do be best to keep my word.
If someone, ANYONE doesn't like that, <b> LEAVE</b> and stop your whining. I could give a rat's *** if you like the way I run this site. I don't care if you feel your "rights" have been violated. I own/run this site and as such, it is my "right" to do whatever the hell i want. UNDERSTAND???
I am so sick of people bitching and whining because of this, because of that. Once second people are sounding the horns about how great the site is and how we don't allow idiots to go off in here, the next second these same people are complaining because we actually step in? Maybe someone should set some ground rules so we "all" know what's allowed and what's not? How about that?
No, I don't think so. This site is not a dictatroship, I am keeping my word to Nissan. Call it *** kissing, call it anything you want but the bottom line is that if you don't like it, <b> LEAVE!!!!! </b>
People complain, "this isn't the site is used to be" blah blah blah.
This site isn't the same because of people coming in whining over things that are, without a question, completely stupid. I will <b> NOT</b> allow this site to become a pissing match where people whine about their rights and this and that. I have a simple rule, don't break the embargo. In fact, it's not even my rule. I stated a nice plea not to do it and what do I get in return? I get users like Serenidad loosing their mind and shouting to anyone that will listen.
I just don't understand what is so freaking hard to grasp here people. I am doing what was asked of me. If you don't like it, go back to zcar.com or whatever the heck you came because bottom line is that I don't have time to babysit your whiney asses!
I'm sorry for cursing and getting raw in here but this is just plain stupid. In future, I am going to instruct the mods to edit/delete/ban at will if needed.
99% of the people understand this. They are fine with the site and the posts. The handful though want to cry and whine. Well, I'm watching. Continue your crap fest and see how fast I kick your asses out into the streets. I am <b> not going to put up with this</b> any longer.
Exsillio made a good point to me, he sort of woke me up to some degree in a private message he sent me.
Where do I draw the line? Who's right and who's wrong? That's a great question so we'll make it clear, from this moment fourth there are but four rules.
1) No starting/picking fights. (should be common sense)
2) No racial or sexual discrimination of any kind will be tolerated. You will be banned for breaking this rule.
3) Do not break Nissan's embargo for July 3rd.
4) If you don't like a post or you find it offensive because of an attached image or what someone said, email THAT PERSON or PM THEM and plead your case. They have the power to edit their own post.
I guess after all is said and done, if you don't like the way the site is being run, leave. I have been very open about everything and what was going on. I have only edited the people breaking the Nissan rule or if something was offensive and I recieved PM's regarding a post.
The neat thing here is that most people don't have issue, it's the newer users and people that haven't been around here that seem to be the ones causing the issues. Maybe they are used to other boards where fighting is tolerated, I don't know.
I am just sick of it all though, so I now I have my boots on and I am more than ready to kick if needed.
I appreciate free speech, but I gave my word to Nissan. Can't you understand this? That word covers this site/forum. Therefore I need to step in if people are breaking that rule. I am fine with RUMORS.... post a RUMOR all you like. If you are unsure, email or pm me. I don't want to be the bad guy here, but some of you are really leaving me no choice.
Again, and let me be crystal clear, if you don't like it, <b> LEAVE </b>.
To most of you, 99% of you I'd say... this doesn't apply. Sorry for the outburst but I am done babysitting.
Jay
Let me make a few things perfectly clear because for whatever reason, some people just don't seem to get it.
This is a forum dedicated to the 350Z. Not dedicated to assclowns that don't get their way so they go crying to anyone that will listen. I gave my word that this site and forum would not break the rules that Nissan gave and I am going to do be best to keep my word.
If someone, ANYONE doesn't like that, <b> LEAVE</b> and stop your whining. I could give a rat's *** if you like the way I run this site. I don't care if you feel your "rights" have been violated. I own/run this site and as such, it is my "right" to do whatever the hell i want. UNDERSTAND???
I am so sick of people bitching and whining because of this, because of that. Once second people are sounding the horns about how great the site is and how we don't allow idiots to go off in here, the next second these same people are complaining because we actually step in? Maybe someone should set some ground rules so we "all" know what's allowed and what's not? How about that?
No, I don't think so. This site is not a dictatroship, I am keeping my word to Nissan. Call it *** kissing, call it anything you want but the bottom line is that if you don't like it, <b> LEAVE!!!!! </b>
People complain, "this isn't the site is used to be" blah blah blah.
This site isn't the same because of people coming in whining over things that are, without a question, completely stupid. I will <b> NOT</b> allow this site to become a pissing match where people whine about their rights and this and that. I have a simple rule, don't break the embargo. In fact, it's not even my rule. I stated a nice plea not to do it and what do I get in return? I get users like Serenidad loosing their mind and shouting to anyone that will listen.
I just don't understand what is so freaking hard to grasp here people. I am doing what was asked of me. If you don't like it, go back to zcar.com or whatever the heck you came because bottom line is that I don't have time to babysit your whiney asses!
I'm sorry for cursing and getting raw in here but this is just plain stupid. In future, I am going to instruct the mods to edit/delete/ban at will if needed.
99% of the people understand this. They are fine with the site and the posts. The handful though want to cry and whine. Well, I'm watching. Continue your crap fest and see how fast I kick your asses out into the streets. I am <b> not going to put up with this</b> any longer.
Exsillio made a good point to me, he sort of woke me up to some degree in a private message he sent me.
Where do I draw the line? Who's right and who's wrong? That's a great question so we'll make it clear, from this moment fourth there are but four rules.
1) No starting/picking fights. (should be common sense)
2) No racial or sexual discrimination of any kind will be tolerated. You will be banned for breaking this rule.
3) Do not break Nissan's embargo for July 3rd.
4) If you don't like a post or you find it offensive because of an attached image or what someone said, email THAT PERSON or PM THEM and plead your case. They have the power to edit their own post.
I guess after all is said and done, if you don't like the way the site is being run, leave. I have been very open about everything and what was going on. I have only edited the people breaking the Nissan rule or if something was offensive and I recieved PM's regarding a post.
The neat thing here is that most people don't have issue, it's the newer users and people that haven't been around here that seem to be the ones causing the issues. Maybe they are used to other boards where fighting is tolerated, I don't know.
I am just sick of it all though, so I now I have my boots on and I am more than ready to kick if needed.
I appreciate free speech, but I gave my word to Nissan. Can't you understand this? That word covers this site/forum. Therefore I need to step in if people are breaking that rule. I am fine with RUMORS.... post a RUMOR all you like. If you are unsure, email or pm me. I don't want to be the bad guy here, but some of you are really leaving me no choice.
Again, and let me be crystal clear, if you don't like it, <b> LEAVE </b>.
To most of you, 99% of you I'd say... this doesn't apply. Sorry for the outburst but I am done babysitting.
Jay
06-28-2002, 01:41 AM
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People make decisions..others are offended by these decisions
That's life...deal with it
For those that decide to leave the site because a man chose to keep his word...I'll miss you...some of us still think a man's honor is worth something
That's life...deal with it
For those that decide to leave the site because a man chose to keep his word...I'll miss you...some of us still think a man's honor is worth something
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I honestly don't even see why Jay should be tied to this emargo anyway. He is not part of the press nor writing journalistic articles about the 350Z. He is simply running a enthusiast website forum where anyone can speak their mind. If you visit the forums on the ACLU you wouldn't believe some of the things people say yet nothing gets moderated. Unless Nissan is going to start paying Jay serious advertising money or bribing him with secret information just so they can keep a tight hold on his site, I don't see what Jay owes them. Nissan is not going to sue you for what other people post. Freshalloy has a long standing relationship with Nissan (ie. received early specs and pics of the Altima with permission to post before anyone else online) and even Noel over there has not removed info just because its leaked or part of an embargo which is really something arranged between Nissan and the car magazines. I have been checking these Z sites daily looking for leaks, spy pics and pre-released info. Once that ends it won't be nearly as exciting except for people discussing mods and problems they run into. If we just wanted to know official stuff from NNA we could have just checked nissannews.com each day instead of discussing leaks/rumors here. If these boards get moderated too much I think most people will go elsewhere when exciting releases happen in the future but I hope it doesn't come to that.
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06-28-2002, 01:47 AM
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Really the issue should be whether posting the C&D article in full violates copyright laws, and if Jay said that he didn't want the C&D article (or any article in full on his site, now or in the future) because of copyright issues, that's easy to understand and should be the real reason he is deleting those posts.
06-28-2002, 01:47 AM
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<b> JULY 3rd</b>
This is the date I was asked to respect. Not forever. I was told point blank by Nissan that those that respect the Embargo get the perks. Those that do not, don't. It's really simple.
I haven't removed the posts I made prior to the embargo have I? The ones with the actual stats in them? I am not doing everything Nissan says and we are a fan site, but I don't think people understand copyright and trademark law very well.
If Nissan wanted, they could squash this site and each and every other "fan site" out there if they chose to. I was asked a simple thing, I am keeping my word. Obviously that whole keeping my word thing escapes some people because it seems to against what they'd do or what they'd like me to do. It doesn't escape me though.
July 3rd is the date I was asked to respect. July 3rd is the date I am respecting.
Sorry if that bothers anyone.
-j-
This is the date I was asked to respect. Not forever. I was told point blank by Nissan that those that respect the Embargo get the perks. Those that do not, don't. It's really simple.
I haven't removed the posts I made prior to the embargo have I? The ones with the actual stats in them? I am not doing everything Nissan says and we are a fan site, but I don't think people understand copyright and trademark law very well.
If Nissan wanted, they could squash this site and each and every other "fan site" out there if they chose to. I was asked a simple thing, I am keeping my word. Obviously that whole keeping my word thing escapes some people because it seems to against what they'd do or what they'd like me to do. It doesn't escape me though.
July 3rd is the date I was asked to respect. July 3rd is the date I am respecting.
Sorry if that bothers anyone.
-j-
06-28-2002, 01:52 AM
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Are the wheels coming off?
Been following this site and the other ( u know
which one) since january, this one seemed to be more
adult so i favored it, but lately with all the censorship
going on i dont know which is worst. I thought this
site was about sharing info and having some fun while
waiting for our cars, somewhere along the line that seems
to have gotten lost. Hope this site can get back to sharing
info and having some fun, with respect for all opinions.
Thanks
which one) since january, this one seemed to be more
adult so i favored it, but lately with all the censorship
going on i dont know which is worst. I thought this
site was about sharing info and having some fun while
waiting for our cars, somewhere along the line that seems
to have gotten lost. Hope this site can get back to sharing
info and having some fun, with respect for all opinions.
Thanks
06-28-2002, 01:52 AM
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Jay, I had posted a couple weeks ago that I was afraid you had gone over to the dark side because of your refusal to release info that you had learned from sources other than Nissan. I thought you raised some excellant points in your response regarding why you believed that you could not posts things that you had learned elsewhere. I do believe, however, that you have now gone WAY too far by appointing yourself as NISSAN'S OFFICIAL CENSOR. (I hope at least Nissan is paying you for that job.) I think you subvert the very purpose of the internet when you set your self up as judge and jury as far as what info people can share here that they have learned on their own. The internet is supposed to be about the free exchange of ideas, not a tool for corporations to stifle the free flow of information.
Jay, you run a great site, but I think you are WAY OFF BASE on this issue. Just my 2 cents.
Jay, you run a great site, but I think you are WAY OFF BASE on this issue. Just my 2 cents.
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On the copyright/trademark side of it I completely understand. The guy who saved the C&D pages and has them linked online is absolutely breaking the law. Providing a link to that site is probably not against the law however since technically Jay is not hosting the content in question.
Perhaps I missed an earlier discussion about this but what does I was told point blank by Nissan that those that respect the Embargo get the perks mean? What perks are they offering you? Are they giving you something personal in exchange for controlling the information on your site or are you saying you will receive early information about future cars? If its a promise for future information won't we be back in this same situation where you can't tell us anything? That does not seem to help the site or the enthusiasts as much as sharing leaked information.
Perhaps I missed an earlier discussion about this but what does I was told point blank by Nissan that those that respect the Embargo get the perks mean? What perks are they offering you? Are they giving you something personal in exchange for controlling the information on your site or are you saying you will receive early information about future cars? If its a promise for future information won't we be back in this same situation where you can't tell us anything? That does not seem to help the site or the enthusiasts as much as sharing leaked information.
(not true, but I see your point)
06-28-2002, 01:58 AM
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Jay,
As a card-carrying member of the My350Z Club (or will be card-carrying once we get them) I appreciate you not pissing off the Nissan folks. Yes, there was a time when Jay posted everything he heard from his sources. Then, Nissan contacted him and asked him to stop. He said he would, gave his word that he would, and that's that.
For those of you that think Jay has gone soft for not posting, or allowing to be posted, information Nissan has asked to not be released, think about the long-term effects. July 3 is next week, the my350Z club will be around for years. I can live with waiting the extra few days for the quiet period to end, knowing that our club will have a good working relationship with Nissan. Do you think the Southern California Z Car club that met at Fuddruckers earlier this month has a good relationship with Nissan? Wouldn't it be nice for our club to have some pull?
Serenidad, I agree with you that Jay, as host, probably wouldn't be held liable for posts made on this forum. But that's not the issue.
So, we can discuss what we like/dislike about the car, why we think it will/won't be as fast as we'd like, which color we think is the coolest, but we can't post the text or a link to the text of the C&D article.
I can live with that.
Dave
As a card-carrying member of the My350Z Club (or will be card-carrying once we get them) I appreciate you not pissing off the Nissan folks. Yes, there was a time when Jay posted everything he heard from his sources. Then, Nissan contacted him and asked him to stop. He said he would, gave his word that he would, and that's that.
For those of you that think Jay has gone soft for not posting, or allowing to be posted, information Nissan has asked to not be released, think about the long-term effects. July 3 is next week, the my350Z club will be around for years. I can live with waiting the extra few days for the quiet period to end, knowing that our club will have a good working relationship with Nissan. Do you think the Southern California Z Car club that met at Fuddruckers earlier this month has a good relationship with Nissan? Wouldn't it be nice for our club to have some pull?
Serenidad, I agree with you that Jay, as host, probably wouldn't be held liable for posts made on this forum. But that's not the issue.
So, we can discuss what we like/dislike about the car, why we think it will/won't be as fast as we'd like, which color we think is the coolest, but we can't post the text or a link to the text of the C&D article.
I can live with that.
Dave
06-28-2002, 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by JmanZ
<b> JULY 3rd</b>
I was asked a simple thing, I am keeping my word. Obviously that whole keeping my word thing escapes some people because it seems to against what they'd do or what they'd like me to do. It doesn't escape me though.
-j-
<b> JULY 3rd</b>
I was asked a simple thing, I am keeping my word. Obviously that whole keeping my word thing escapes some people because it seems to against what they'd do or what they'd like me to do. It doesn't escape me though.
-j-
1. You gave your word to Nissan that you would censor this site and take down things that other people had learned on their own because Nissan wants to suppress that info. Why would you do that?
2. JAY I AM EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED IN YOU -- "Obviously that whole keeping my word thing escapes people because it seems to [be] against what they'd do." What was that last comment if not a FLAME. You are saying anyone who disagrees with you ARE LIARS WHO DON'T KEEP THEIR WORD? Come-on Jay, you're above that. Obviously this whole thing is getting to you. I can't speak for anyone else, but I firmly believe in keeping my word, I also am firmly against censorship, and I am offended that you would call me a liar merely because I disagree with the censorship you are doing on this site.
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Ok. I've been with this site for a long time but I haven't really posted much since I've joined. This is a great site and all of you should be thankful that jmanz is doing this for you guys. He doesn't get paid for doing this. I know people send in there donations but he doesn't make you pay the money. Now jmanz gave his word to Nissan. Being a man of my word too, I know why he's holding back this information and it really does take a MAN to do this. For all of you who don't like what he's doing, like jmanz said, just leave. But I can guarantee you that this will be the first site/forum to release all the information that everyone has been dying for. I can also guarantee that all you people that leave my350z.com WILL come back when everything is released July 3rd. Sure it'll be on those other forums (zcar, fresh alloy). But where do you think that they get their info from? If you have ever been to those sites you will constantly find posts that they have credited to my350z.com or they will even link you to the site. Yeah exactly. It all comes back to this site. So everyone just stop acting immature, calm down and be patient. It's not like it's the end of the world. Oh yeah and it seems like that the young ones are the most mature members of this forum. VQracer I gotta give you credit for that. Oh yeah and by the way....I'm only 17.
06-28-2002, 02:01 AM
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Perhaps
I'm not for sure but I think perhaps he may have received the publicity or press pack, and may have had to sign something that legally binds him from releasing any info. And is is his board and his ***, so he has got to do what's best for him.
I don't wann get a brown nose here but my original thoughts were a "ditto" of Dr. Bonz
I don't wann get a brown nose here but my original thoughts were a "ditto" of Dr. Bonz
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First off, JmanZ, I know that people like exsilio and myself think you're still doing a great job. Otherwise we would "just leave". So I think you may take some of the constructive criticism a bit too personally. And flaming people back is a little hypocritical, you know?
Well... this is a bit of a gray area, you know? I mean, for all we know, that C&D article is a forgery, right? And the online version was somebody else's cache copy. Maybe the weight's just plain wrong.
It's not like you're endorsing it, or posting it as the latest news. It's heresay.
This July 3rd embargo will not be the last one. There will be one for the convertible, and possible T/C, and next year's model, and everything else...
It's your call, but ultimately people will "just leave" and go to another site if they have all the hot news. It's the way things are. Which would be too bad considering all the stuff this site has going for it.
Originally posted by JmanZ
I am fine with RUMORS.... post a RUMOR all you like. If you are unsure, email or pm me. I don't want to be the bad guy here, but some of you are really leaving me no choice.
I am fine with RUMORS.... post a RUMOR all you like. If you are unsure, email or pm me. I don't want to be the bad guy here, but some of you are really leaving me no choice.
It's not like you're endorsing it, or posting it as the latest news. It's heresay.
This July 3rd embargo will not be the last one. There will be one for the convertible, and possible T/C, and next year's model, and everything else...
It's your call, but ultimately people will "just leave" and go to another site if they have all the hot news. It's the way things are. Which would be too bad considering all the stuff this site has going for it.
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If Jay got a press pack and had to sign something saying he wouldn't disclose it I think that was inappropriate. If Jay was looking out for himself to get whatever info he could to satisfy his desires then thats one thing. If this site's purpose is to support the 350Z enthusiast base to help us help eachother by sharing the latest information then I don't think Jay should have accepted the press pack if he had to sign that. The magazines put alot of time into getting an article together and I can understand why they would need info early so they can have it ready in time. To make sure no one jumps the gun I can see why Nissan would say that they can have the info but must wait until July 3rd. To me (unless Jay is planning to write an article that he had to prepare for) it seems like Nissan bribed Jay with early information in exchange for helping Nissan to limit the spread of leaked info. I am not saying if I was in Jay's shoes I wouldn't do the same thing to get my hands on the dirt, but Nissan knew what they were doing here and I think it was out of line for them to do it. In the present situation I can see why Jay wouldn't want to violate it, but if roles were reversed I would have done whatever it takes not to be under Nissan's influence.
06-28-2002, 02:17 AM
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I'm new here but I can't help but point out that the most aggressive and seemlingly "immature" post on here is from the so called "owner" of this site (but i dont see how he can be an owner if he himself states that the site is now funded by the donations)
I was told this is a great place to get new 350Z information but it seems like the moderators of this site are inhibiting the exchange of ideas.
The moderator writes
" ... This site is not a dictatroship"
but only a few lines away writes
"I own/run this site and as such, it is my "right" to do whatever the hell i want. UNDERSTAND??? "
Sure sounds like a dictatorship to me..
These are not words of a stable "moderator." The phrase moderator revolves around the word moderation and surely that is something that the operator of this site is moving away from.
I applaud those users on this site who are willing to stand up to the establishment and voice your concern that this site is moving in the wrong direction. Without people who are willing to voice their objections free speech would be trampled by the elitist few who apparently get special perks for rubbing elbows with the fat cats.
While this site was lucky to capitalize on the popularity of the 350Z, it will not survive long in its current state. The only reason its successful is because no good alternative is around which allows for a clean chat and also for a free exchange of ideas.
Dont worry guys someone will fill this empty void sooner or later.
Until then I guess you guys will just have to put up with this
totalitarianism.
"99% of the people understand this. They are fine with the site and the posts. The handful though want to cry and whine. Well, I'm watching. Continue your crap fest and see how fast I kick your asses out into the streets. I am not going to put up with this any longer. "
This kind of rhetoric sounds like ayatollah talk. its ridiculous and its good to see some of you have the ***** to speak up against it.
I was told this is a great place to get new 350Z information but it seems like the moderators of this site are inhibiting the exchange of ideas.
The moderator writes
" ... This site is not a dictatroship"
but only a few lines away writes
"I own/run this site and as such, it is my "right" to do whatever the hell i want. UNDERSTAND??? "
Sure sounds like a dictatorship to me..
These are not words of a stable "moderator." The phrase moderator revolves around the word moderation and surely that is something that the operator of this site is moving away from.
I applaud those users on this site who are willing to stand up to the establishment and voice your concern that this site is moving in the wrong direction. Without people who are willing to voice their objections free speech would be trampled by the elitist few who apparently get special perks for rubbing elbows with the fat cats.
While this site was lucky to capitalize on the popularity of the 350Z, it will not survive long in its current state. The only reason its successful is because no good alternative is around which allows for a clean chat and also for a free exchange of ideas.
Dont worry guys someone will fill this empty void sooner or later.
Until then I guess you guys will just have to put up with this
totalitarianism.
"99% of the people understand this. They are fine with the site and the posts. The handful though want to cry and whine. Well, I'm watching. Continue your crap fest and see how fast I kick your asses out into the streets. I am not going to put up with this any longer. "
This kind of rhetoric sounds like ayatollah talk. its ridiculous and its good to see some of you have the ***** to speak up against it.
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Jay,
I don't know if your reading this, I feel for you brother.
(Ready for the cliches?)
You will never please everybody all the time, people will always want their cake and eat it too!
I for one am grateful for this site, this is where i get most of my news from. I'm glad you spent the time & money to put it up.
As with any rights we may or may not have, those rights come with responsibilities and a respect for the rules that Jmanz has instituted as owner of this site.
I don't know if your reading this, I feel for you brother.
(Ready for the cliches?)
You will never please everybody all the time, people will always want their cake and eat it too!
I for one am grateful for this site, this is where i get most of my news from. I'm glad you spent the time & money to put it up.
As with any rights we may or may not have, those rights come with responsibilities and a respect for the rules that Jmanz has instituted as owner of this site.
06-28-2002, 02:23 AM
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Robbyn, you are a lawyer and as such I should expect you putting words in my mouth. 
I never called you a liar and I am not saying people that don't agree with me are liars. Not even close.
I am just pointing out that it's funny that the people creating the biggest whine-fest over the July 3rd thing, seem to be new users. Members of this site, or the very few this applies to I should say, complain because I am doing what was asked of me. They cry censorship and they cry foul.
I explain why I am doing this, and what it's all about and even though they can read things on other cars like zcar.com, the complain because they can't read those things here.
It seems regardless of the road I choose, I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't huh?
Well, I am sticking to my guns here people, I gave my word and I will not break it. Agree, disagree, agree to disagree, whatever works best for you. I am fine with people posting their opinion, but when we get new users like Serenidad coming in and basically whining from day one, well.... something's not right. I <b> KNOW </b> I am not alone in feeling this way.
Enough for now, I am sure I've got others I have to reply to.
Robbyn, I am not out to be the bad guy and take away your rights. I'm sorry that you feel otherwise.
Jay
I never called you a liar and I am not saying people that don't agree with me are liars. Not even close.
I am just pointing out that it's funny that the people creating the biggest whine-fest over the July 3rd thing, seem to be new users. Members of this site, or the very few this applies to I should say, complain because I am doing what was asked of me. They cry censorship and they cry foul.
I explain why I am doing this, and what it's all about and even though they can read things on other cars like zcar.com, the complain because they can't read those things here.
It seems regardless of the road I choose, I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't huh?
Well, I am sticking to my guns here people, I gave my word and I will not break it. Agree, disagree, agree to disagree, whatever works best for you. I am fine with people posting their opinion, but when we get new users like Serenidad coming in and basically whining from day one, well.... something's not right. I <b> KNOW </b> I am not alone in feeling this way.
Enough for now, I am sure I've got others I have to reply to.
Robbyn, I am not out to be the bad guy and take away your rights. I'm sorry that you feel otherwise.
Jay
06-28-2002, 02:30 AM
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Enigmatic, you're right to some degree. I was angry when I posted that reply. I stand by every word though and anyone that has been here for awhile knows that I am a good guy and I don't dictate. There is a Charter Forum that is open to Charter members where we vote on things all the time.
I am tired though, of the new users that feel they speak for everyone. This is the simplest of matters, yet it had become this huge debate on free speech.
The site is funded by donations and my own money. I devote a ton of hours to the site for which I am not paid, and as such, yes, it is my site and I will do everything in my power to not allow it to become like other forums have become.
If you or anyone else doesn't like this, please leave.
By the way, I could have easily taken your post as an attack and deleted it. I left it though, to show that I am not the big bad wolf.
I just don't get it... this site is this, this site is that. Yet you stay. Why? If this site is so bad.... why the heck stay? i don't get it.
Jay
I am tired though, of the new users that feel they speak for everyone. This is the simplest of matters, yet it had become this huge debate on free speech.
The site is funded by donations and my own money. I devote a ton of hours to the site for which I am not paid, and as such, yes, it is my site and I will do everything in my power to not allow it to become like other forums have become.
If you or anyone else doesn't like this, please leave.
By the way, I could have easily taken your post as an attack and deleted it. I left it though, to show that I am not the big bad wolf.
I just don't get it... this site is this, this site is that. Yet you stay. Why? If this site is so bad.... why the heck stay? i don't get it.
Jay