Notices
2003-2009 Nissan 350Z

Brand New Turn key Turbocharged 350Z

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 06:17 PM
  #1  
JETPILOT's Avatar
JETPILOT
Thread Starter
New Member
iTrader: (51)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,319
Likes: 2
From: Vero Beach, FL
Default Brand New Turn key Turbocharged 350Z

Would there be a market segment interested in purchasing a NEW Z already outfitted with a complete performance package already installed? The car would include Turbo induction 450HP 380ft-lbs motor, 19" wheels/tires, BBK, coilover suspension, sway bars, performance clutch and ECU tunning. for about $50,000 dollars.

Remainder of Warranty would be through Nissan for parts the modifications do not void.

Just lik what Saleen does for Mustangs. Any thoughts?

Respect
JET
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 06:27 PM
  #2  
Rampant's Avatar
Rampant
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 205
Likes: 0
From: SoCal
Default

I think I would wait to see what the GT-R comes in at.

I like the idea though (especially if it had Recaros and a custom body kit).
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 06:28 PM
  #3  
JoneZZZ's Avatar
JoneZZZ
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 940
Likes: 0
From: Chicago/SW Suburbs
Default

Originally Posted by JETPILOT
........Remainder of Warranty would be through Nissan for parts the modifications do not void.

Just lik what Saleen does for Mustangs. Any thoughts?

Respect
JET
If Nissan warrantied the entire package, I would say definitely YES.....will want to look at that price point to make sure it is competitive.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 06:36 PM
  #4  
Nismo 350z's Avatar
Nismo 350z
New Member
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,239
Likes: 1
From: So.Cali 626-951
Default

No chance thats gonna happend. Any performance part you do will void that specific warranty. Turbo will void the whole engine warranty. The only way you can find a car like that is if Nissan North America decided to sell the full Nismo packaged 350Z. It would be NA and making 350-375BHP and 300ft-lbs. and it would cost 50K. Not gonna happen unless you have the $ to make your own Nismo Z.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 07:02 PM
  #5  
JoneZZZ's Avatar
JoneZZZ
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 940
Likes: 0
From: Chicago/SW Suburbs
Default

Originally Posted by Nismo 350z
No chance thats gonna happend. Any performance part you do will void that specific warranty. Turbo will void the whole engine warranty. The only way you can find a car like that is if Nissan North America decided to sell the full Nismo packaged 350Z. It would be NA and making 350-375BHP and 300ft-lbs. and it would cost 50K. Not gonna happen unless you have the $ to make your own Nismo Z.
If NNA engineering put their heads together to select either one or a group of F/I solutions that they would be willing to integrate, and warranty, I think it would be a good idea......I mean have you see the list of F/I owners?

I am not saying that 50K is the right price point, but if you could build your own Z to include a F/I solution that was tested and warrantied, I bet there would be a market for it......

The final warantied product probably would not be at the 500+HP/Torque that we are starting to see with regularity.....but I bet NNA could test and warranty 390-400 hp/torque.....
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 07:05 PM
  #6  
JoneZZZ's Avatar
JoneZZZ
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 940
Likes: 0
From: Chicago/SW Suburbs
Default

Thinking about it.....it starts to sound like a mass marketing scheme(too many Z's on the road), and I'm not sure I like that......anyway, food for thought.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 07:32 PM
  #7  
Nismo 350z's Avatar
Nismo 350z
New Member
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,239
Likes: 1
From: So.Cali 626-951
Default

Originally Posted by JoneZZZ
If NNA engineering put their heads together to select either one or a group of F/I solutions that they would be willing to integrate, and warranty, I think it would be a good idea......I mean have you see the list of F/I owners?

I am not saying that 50K is the right price point, but if you could build your own Z to include a F/I solution that was tested and warrantied, I bet there would be a market for it......

The final warantied product probably would not be at the 500+HP/Torque that we are starting to see with regularity.....but I bet NNA could test and warranty 390-400 hp/torque.....

Yeah I know there would be a market for a FI 400HP Z that was tested and warrantied.. Alot of people do FI their car but they all void there warranty like that. I for sure would love to see a TT Z avaiable at the lot as much as the next guy but I don't think the market will be as strong as it is now. I mean you guys remember the 300ZX was around 40-45K but Nissan was recording very low sales because of SUV's and alot of people weren't interested in the car. Only true automotive enthusiats bought them. Same thing with the Supra/RX-7. But yeah why would NNA make and test a TT 350Z with 400HP/400TQ when the GT-R is on the horizon. That way people can have a average every day sports car and a hard core TT one if they are willing to pay the price for it. My .02.

Last edited by Nismo 350z; Dec 2, 2005 at 07:38 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 07:35 PM
  #8  
JoneZZZ's Avatar
JoneZZZ
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 940
Likes: 0
From: Chicago/SW Suburbs
Default

Originally Posted by Nismo 350z
......But yeah why would NNA make and test a TT 350Z with 400HP/400TQ when the GT-R is on the horizon......

agreed...........
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 07:36 PM
  #9  
Daytona350Texas's Avatar
Daytona350Texas
Registered User
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 714
Likes: 0
From: Amarillo, TX
Default

Stillen stage 1 SC doesnt void warranty...
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 07:45 PM
  #10  
davidv's Avatar
davidv
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 42,753
Likes: 11
From: Tucson, AZ
Default

Apparently not because NISMO is not a business which modifies the 350Z, then provides them for sale by the dealer.

Both BMW and Mercedes have “tuners” but the 350Z does not:

1. The 350Z has only been in production for 3 years. Not long enough to establish a dedicated following of repeat buyers.

2. Budget buyer: Someone paying $70,000 for a Mercedes is apt to drop another $10,000 for the “tuner” version. On the other hand, the additional cost pushes the 350Z from $35,000 to $45,000.

3. Economy of scale: Demand for modified Mustangs is 1 percent of total annual sales or 1,900. A company can profit modifying 1,900 cars/year. Using the same percentage would mean only 30 350Zs.

Last edited by davidv; Dec 2, 2005 at 07:49 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 07:48 PM
  #11  
Nismo 350z's Avatar
Nismo 350z
New Member
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,239
Likes: 1
From: So.Cali 626-951
Default

Originally Posted by Daytona350Texas
Stillen stage 1 SC doesnt void warranty...

Uh yeah it does. People think they don't because Stillen offers a 3 year warranty on them and its CARB legal. But if something happens to your stock heads with the kit on.. I doubt the delearship will fix it for you. Besides the stage 1 offers the same performance/HP of bolt on NA Z.. intake ,full exhaust, plenum, pulley, cams, ECU.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 07:52 PM
  #12  
Nismo 350z's Avatar
Nismo 350z
New Member
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,239
Likes: 1
From: So.Cali 626-951
Default

Originally Posted by davidv
Apparently not because NISMO is not a business which modifies the 350Z, then provides them for sale by the dealer.

Both BMW and Mercedes have “tuners” but the 350Z does not:

1. The 350Z has only been in production for 3 years. Not long enough to establish a dedicated following of repeat buyers.

2. Budget buyer: Someone paying $70,000 for a Mercedes is apt to drop another $10,000 for the “tuner” version. On the other hand, the additional cost pushes the 350Z from $35,000 to $45,000.

3. Economy of scale: Demand for modified Mustangs is 1 percent of total annual sales or 1,900. A company can profit modifying 1,900 cars/year. Using the same percentage would mean only 30 350Zs.

Then why does Nismo sell full packaged Z's in Japan at the Nissan dealerships and people pay 60K+ for them. They have the S-tune, R-tune and the Z-tune<--- don't know what that one has but it makes 380BHP.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 08:23 PM
  #13  
davidv's Avatar
davidv
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 42,753
Likes: 11
From: Tucson, AZ
Default

Originally Posted by Nismo 350z
Then why does Nismo sell full packaged Z's in Japan at the Nissan dealerships and people pay 60K+ for them. They have the S-tune, R-tune and the Z-tune<--- don't know what that one has but it makes 380BHP.
Thanks. I wasn't aware of that. If the dealer is installing the NISMO items, that's not quite the same as the work done by AMG for example. What I mean is that NISMO does not buy the car from Nissan, then sell it to the dealer. Correct?
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 08:50 PM
  #14  
Daytona350Texas's Avatar
Daytona350Texas
Registered User
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 714
Likes: 0
From: Amarillo, TX
Default

Originally Posted by Nismo 350z
Uh yeah it does. People think they don't because Stillen offers a 3 year warranty on them and its CARB legal. But if something happens to your stock heads with the kit on.. I doubt the delearship will fix it for you. Besides the stage 1 offers the same performance/HP of bolt on NA Z.. intake ,full exhaust, plenum, pulley, cams, ECU.
Well thats funny cause I keep in touch with my nissan dealership, shop manager John, and he has a black 350z. We've talked quite a bit and I heard a rumor on here about stillen stage 1 not voiding warranty, so I decided to sit down and talk to him when my car was in the shop about 3 1/2wks ago. He said that it doesn't void the warranty and is the only SC'r or turbo that nissan can do that with because of some contract with nissan/stillen? never really understood that part when he explained it. But if you upgrade the sc'r then it will void warranty. Just FYI about things ran here... other places I have no clue, didnt inquire that far.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 08:55 PM
  #15  
JoneZZZ's Avatar
JoneZZZ
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 940
Likes: 0
From: Chicago/SW Suburbs
Default

Now it would be nice to see NISMO put together a high-end complete package with the same performance impact of say an AMG/MB(Jonezzz has a flashback to the pricepoint as he says this).........I think it would do a lot for the brand....not sure how it would impact sales once NNA put a price tag on it.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 09:15 PM
  #16  
davidv's Avatar
davidv
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 42,753
Likes: 11
From: Tucson, AZ
Default

Originally Posted by davidv
3. Economy of scale: Demand for modified Mustangs is 1 percent of total annual sales or 1,900. A company can profit modifying 1,900 cars/year. Using the same percentage would mean only 30 350Zs.
After giving it a second thought, my rational is flawed. NISMO could tune ALL Nissan vehicles, not just the 350Z. That would give NISMO the numbers to make the business profitable.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 09:20 PM
  #17  
JoneZZZ's Avatar
JoneZZZ
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 940
Likes: 0
From: Chicago/SW Suburbs
Default

Originally Posted by davidv
After giving it a second thought, my rational is flawed. NISMO could tune ALL Nissan vehicles, not just the 350Z. That would give NISMO the numbers to make the business profitable.
If they did this I would like NISMO to set a high performance standard.....I mean REALLY push the engineering envelope and make a performance statement with a NISMO badge......
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 09:42 PM
  #18  
JoneZZZ's Avatar
JoneZZZ
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 940
Likes: 0
From: Chicago/SW Suburbs
Default

Originally Posted by JoneZZZ
If they did this I would like NISMO to set a high performance standard.....I mean REALLY push the engineering envelope and make a performance statement with a NISMO badge......
Jonezzz then thinks that this would put NISMO in competition with APS, Greddy, Stillen, HKS, and Turbonetics, Jim Wolfe et. al.........Hmmmmm....and still yet....."the price point".
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 09:56 PM
  #19  
ZON's Avatar
ZON
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,059
Likes: 0
From: norcal
Default

Originally Posted by JETPILOT
Would there be a market segment interested in purchasing a NEW Z already outfitted with a complete performance package already installed? The car would include Turbo induction 450HP 380ft-lbs motor, 19" wheels/tires, BBK, coilover suspension, sway bars, performance clutch and ECU tunning. for about $50,000 dollars.

Remainder of Warranty would be through Nissan for parts the modifications do not void.

Just lik what Saleen does for Mustangs. Any thoughts?

Respect
JET
Something like this is supposed to happen in the SF Bay Area. But it's not going to be a turbo package it's going to be a N/A package which includes the the Unichip and cams and stuff. We'll see if this really happens but it's what I've been told. Can't say any more than that yet.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:18 AM.