why people suck at life (got my tires slashed)
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To say I've had a very rough past 16 hours would be the biggest understatement of the century. I am looking at fixing thousands of dollars of damage to my car, thanks to some random unknown a**hole in DC who slashed my tires on the Z while visiting my friend Sasha (parked down the street on P between 34th and 35th NW), causing all kinds of damage to the bottom of my door because of how low it sat w/o any sidewall on the tires and it scraping on the curb/sidewalk when I got in to move it for the tow-truck (USAA covered the tow at least) and the front bumper being cracked in half because there was no way to get it up on the flatbed except backwards (of course the towing companies are never liable, neither is USAA).
Anyway, so after making numerous phone calls to find ANYWHERE who would be open Sat. PM or Sunday, we finally found a place to get the car towed to .... I of course had to replace BOTH rear tires, even though only one was damaged - since VDC and my viscous LSD wouldn't exactly like a Kumho Ecsta ASX all-season on one side and a Hakka RSi on the other... and they only had the HXMX4 Pilot in stock for my front (and only one at that, so I drove back from DC with very interesting braking feel to say the least).
So if that wasn't bad enough, on the way back on 180W near Williamsport, I hit a HUGE chunk of metal debris on the highway (no room to swerve to avoid it and not enough distance to brake in time) which tore a sizable hole in my already destroyed front bumper, damaged the radiator core support, bent the engine sub frame and/or cradle (dark and hard to tell lying on the ground on the side of the highway) and smacked into the engine itself pretty good (as well as doing untold other damage to the engine and underbody). The worst part is, the debris disintegrated and scattered when I hit it, we couldn't see ANYTHING when we looked back for it - so without being able to point to what happened, I had no way of proving it wasn't either a mechanical failure or self-inflicted and thus I can't even file a police report or complaint with the PENN-DOT.
So yeah, this should be fun and expensive
I was just about done and quite happy with the car, go figure - I finally get a car I don't get tired of or want to sell, and the fit still manages to hit the shan... I feel so EMO ![Big Grin](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
At least we got to "break in" the Kumhos properly:
Anyway, so after making numerous phone calls to find ANYWHERE who would be open Sat. PM or Sunday, we finally found a place to get the car towed to .... I of course had to replace BOTH rear tires, even though only one was damaged - since VDC and my viscous LSD wouldn't exactly like a Kumho Ecsta ASX all-season on one side and a Hakka RSi on the other... and they only had the HXMX4 Pilot in stock for my front (and only one at that, so I drove back from DC with very interesting braking feel to say the least).
So if that wasn't bad enough, on the way back on 180W near Williamsport, I hit a HUGE chunk of metal debris on the highway (no room to swerve to avoid it and not enough distance to brake in time) which tore a sizable hole in my already destroyed front bumper, damaged the radiator core support, bent the engine sub frame and/or cradle (dark and hard to tell lying on the ground on the side of the highway) and smacked into the engine itself pretty good (as well as doing untold other damage to the engine and underbody). The worst part is, the debris disintegrated and scattered when I hit it, we couldn't see ANYTHING when we looked back for it - so without being able to point to what happened, I had no way of proving it wasn't either a mechanical failure or self-inflicted and thus I can't even file a police report or complaint with the PENN-DOT.
So yeah, this should be fun and expensive
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At least we got to "break in" the Kumhos properly:
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Originally Posted by dmoffitt
.........some random unknown a**hole in DC who slashed my tires on the Z while visiting my friend Sasha (parked down the street on P between 34th and 35th NW), causing all kinds of damage ......
Damn....what's up with some people now days, total disregard for personal property....
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Originally Posted by davidv
both incidents are insurance claims correct?
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I'm sure if you took pictures of the slashed tires you could claim it...
My car was once egged, I photograph'd it so I could wash the car, and never filed a police report. My insurance took the photos as evidence and fixed the paint flaws for my 50$ low non-collision deductible.
As far as the chunk hittin the bumper. No clue.
My car was once egged, I photograph'd it so I could wash the car, and never filed a police report. My insurance took the photos as evidence and fixed the paint flaws for my 50$ low non-collision deductible.
As far as the chunk hittin the bumper. No clue.
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Originally Posted by Z PHAT Z
WOW! what a nightmare. I'm surprise you still drive your Z during Winter in Western NY. So far we got lucky this Winter with so little snow. GL with the fixing.
-LamaZ
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Update:
Bob Hastings collision sucked, I highly recommend never going there - not only were they rude (fat guy named Jim) but they would not fit me in as my insurance had promised but told me to leave the car all day just to get it on a lift to look at it for the estimate.
So I told them to eat a bag of dicks and asked USAA where else they had a relationship in Rochester. The only other estimater was Macedon collision. So despite needing to drive another half hour east from where I was in east roc already, I bit the bullet and headed there. These guys not only are infinitely more friendly but they have AN OLD NISSAN Z RACE CAR in the showroom hehe!!
Bob wrote the estimate... came up with 1700 on the cosmetics and the crossmember (parts) but when I spoke with Dorachel this morning, Doug quoted 1900 just to remove and reinstall the engine (necessary to replace the crossmember) so I have a feeling they are thousands short. We also found that while the rear o2 WIRES survived the bracket that holds the sensor clip is toast, necessitating the whole sensor being replaced - the list of "supplementasl" for insurance will be HUGE![Frown](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif)
Pictures of the damage.
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/bumper-hole.jpg)
Hole in Bumper
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/torn-undertray.jpg)
Torn Undertray
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/front_subframe.jpg)
Front Subframe
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/front-subframe-cu.jpg)
Front Subframe (Close-up)
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/broken-o2-clip.jpg)
Broken O2 clip (holds harness to car to keep from dragging)
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/good-weld.jpg)
What a test-pipe weld SHOULD look like
vs
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/cracked-weld.jpg)
What happens when debris hits your test pipe.
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/torn-flex.jpg)
Torn b-pipe (not through but pisses me off)
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/dented-b-pipe.jpg)
Dented B-pipe
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/dent-gouge-in-floor.jpg)
Dent / gouge in floor
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/big-floor-dent.jpg)
Another dent, guessed to be the fault of the messicans who changed my tires.
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/cracked-seam.jpg)
Cracked seam, also probably same cause.
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/bent-rear-subframe.jpg)
Bent rear subframe
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/exhaust-tip-damage.jpg)
Dented exhaust tip
So I got my ****ty new tires removed and another set of Nokians put on @ Craig Autometrics - wow, that place certainly lived up to their reputation. Not only did they point out the scratches on my wheels (not that I cared, winter wheels) that the ghetto-24-hour place managed to do before they touched my car, they went so far as to point out everything that got screwed up under my car, WAAAAY more than the guys @ Macedon noticed (to be fair, it was much more damp earlier when we first looked at it, and they didn't have enough lighting imo). Anyhow, it looks like I have my work cut out![Frown](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif)
If you draw a line from the front bumper to the rear exhaust tip it all lines up, it's almost funny, you can trace the "path of destruction" front-to-back... except, my wallet's NOT laughing
Bob Hastings collision sucked, I highly recommend never going there - not only were they rude (fat guy named Jim) but they would not fit me in as my insurance had promised but told me to leave the car all day just to get it on a lift to look at it for the estimate.
So I told them to eat a bag of dicks and asked USAA where else they had a relationship in Rochester. The only other estimater was Macedon collision. So despite needing to drive another half hour east from where I was in east roc already, I bit the bullet and headed there. These guys not only are infinitely more friendly but they have AN OLD NISSAN Z RACE CAR in the showroom hehe!!
Bob wrote the estimate... came up with 1700 on the cosmetics and the crossmember (parts) but when I spoke with Dorachel this morning, Doug quoted 1900 just to remove and reinstall the engine (necessary to replace the crossmember) so I have a feeling they are thousands short. We also found that while the rear o2 WIRES survived the bracket that holds the sensor clip is toast, necessitating the whole sensor being replaced - the list of "supplementasl" for insurance will be HUGE
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Pictures of the damage.
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/bumper-hole.jpg)
Hole in Bumper
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/torn-undertray.jpg)
Torn Undertray
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/front_subframe.jpg)
Front Subframe
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/front-subframe-cu.jpg)
Front Subframe (Close-up)
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/broken-o2-clip.jpg)
Broken O2 clip (holds harness to car to keep from dragging)
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/good-weld.jpg)
What a test-pipe weld SHOULD look like
vs
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/cracked-weld.jpg)
What happens when debris hits your test pipe.
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/torn-flex.jpg)
Torn b-pipe (not through but pisses me off)
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/dented-b-pipe.jpg)
Dented B-pipe
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/dent-gouge-in-floor.jpg)
Dent / gouge in floor
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/big-floor-dent.jpg)
Another dent, guessed to be the fault of the messicans who changed my tires.
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/cracked-seam.jpg)
Cracked seam, also probably same cause.
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/bent-rear-subframe.jpg)
Bent rear subframe
![](http://www.dmoffitt.net/350z/debris-damage/exhaust-tip-damage.jpg)
Dented exhaust tip
So I got my ****ty new tires removed and another set of Nokians put on @ Craig Autometrics - wow, that place certainly lived up to their reputation. Not only did they point out the scratches on my wheels (not that I cared, winter wheels) that the ghetto-24-hour place managed to do before they touched my car, they went so far as to point out everything that got screwed up under my car, WAAAAY more than the guys @ Macedon noticed (to be fair, it was much more damp earlier when we first looked at it, and they didn't have enough lighting imo). Anyhow, it looks like I have my work cut out
![Frown](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif)
If you draw a line from the front bumper to the rear exhaust tip it all lines up, it's almost funny, you can trace the "path of destruction" front-to-back... except, my wallet's NOT laughing
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Originally Posted by dmoffitt
...when I spoke with Dorachel this morning, Doug quoted 1900...
OK, now that I have vented back to your dilema at hand. I was actually thinking about changing from Geico to USAA. From the sound of it, that would be a big mistake. Last time I had something go wrong, Geico forked over the money immediatly for going to the collision shop at Dorschel for getting all new OEM parts.
If I can avoid going to Dorschel's shop I would, but the truth is that their collision shop does good work.
Best of luck,
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Dang man, I feel for ya. Your experience in DC is exactly why I NEVER drive my car into that God-forsaken city. It only has two kinds of people, politicians and criminals....I guess that makes one kind, doesn't it.
Anyway, good luck with the repairs man, hope they get 'er back to like-new for ya.
Anyway, good luck with the repairs man, hope they get 'er back to like-new for ya.
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Actually, I've had nothing but praise for Dorschel, they've ALWAYS done fair and honest work and if anything, undercharged me. Doug's been very understanding of any special requests, allowed me to replace the flywheel and pressure place and clutch when doing the warranty work on the transmission at no charge, as well as installed my Nismo catback while that was off (again, no charge). Perhaps it's that Chris Leidke (sp) from the SCCA is the only one there to so much as TOUCH my car that I also have the utmost in confidence in their work too...
That said, I am having the paint work done elsewhere (likely Rochester Collision, Kevin and Jody have always been great to work with) and the mechanicals at Craig Autometrics - not only are they super thorough and professional, but they are half a block from where I live. They are super-expensive for everyday stuff, yet worth it for the piece of mind.
That said, I am having the paint work done elsewhere (likely Rochester Collision, Kevin and Jody have always been great to work with) and the mechanicals at Craig Autometrics - not only are they super thorough and professional, but they are half a block from where I live. They are super-expensive for everyday stuff, yet worth it for the piece of mind.
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oh - and Geico has ****ed me so many times I can't begin to comment... ironic how our two experiences seem polar oposites! PS - USAA is for armed forces / dependants in case you weren't aware (my dad was Navy for 22 years) and they've been great about taking care of stuff, the only problem was their local estimators - but they are letting me work with anyone I want to fix it and will be replacing my NISMO exhaust and aftermarket front bumper at no additional charge / penalties (even though I think I am going to take this opportunity to change some parts out while I'm at it, it's good piece of mind to know they aren't going to jack me).
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