Far from it.. I bet he's got a ticket also. You won't always get caught speeding, but you do run the risk of doing so and if it happens just live with it. My 82 in a 65 out in cali didn't add a single point - you pay and take traffic school. If he gets a lawyer for 350 to 700 when he could pay a 150-200 ticket and take a 50.00 traffic school test/class then he's getting screwed out of more money than he should be. This is getting out of proportion for a simple traffic violation.

 

(It's not a legal advise, blah blah blah)

First of all always fight your ticket.

I don't know where are you, but here in MI, one can first have informal hearing, and then formal hearing... which is good since you can practice you defence, and also chanses that cop will show up both times lower.

Second, you are fool for saying what you said to cop. If he put your words down on back side of his copy of citation, than you are in big trouble. Simply put, you admitted your guilt to cop! The only words you should say to cop is stuff like
-I don't know,
-You tell me,
-Have a good day, officer
Never argue your ticket and your reasons with cop. It's rarely saves you, but defenetely will get you remembered.

The less cop remembers the better for you. If he "doesn't have fresh recollection of facts" - he can't testify.

Okay, now with your defence. Under Public Records Act, or whatever it called in your state, you can and should request cop's
-copy of citation
-log for the day
-training record
-radar calibration log
-radar certification for police station
-cop training record
-any other stuff you can think to be helpful

Then collect data about the place you were trapped. Time, weather, traffic, terrain, powerlines, signs any other stuff you can remember.

Now from all this data you can think of your line of defence. For radar ticket main ideas would be
-Radar wasn't calibrated and gave an error
-Cosine error and 17 other kind of main radar errors, like powerlines or cop's CB radio interference with radar
-Cop read another car's speed

Main idea is to put doubt that radar read your car's speed, and did it accurately. Better find one or two good reasons, then try to involve a little bit of everything.

For more details, you better get 9 lbs Defence Kit from
National Motorist Assosiation

But first off all get a cop's copy of ticket to see if he put your words in it... If he can prove court you said your "car is impossible to drive under speed limit" - then you are done. But still get you hearing in hope that cop won't show up.

 

That's a BS. I was told about this method by everybody... When I tried it, they send me a check, and posted points immediately after that. Nobody cared if I cashe check or not.

 

You know I'm not trying to get away with it i just really don't want the points Ill pay to fine thats not really the issue.

I know that I was caught with laser, because my v1 lit up like a christmas tree right when I saw the cop. That and it said laser on my ticket so I don't think im getting out of it that way.

I think I'm going to just ask for probation before judgement that everyone has been talking about and or driving school and just try to pay the fine and not get the points.

I called a lawyer and the fee was almost triple the amount of the ticket. In my eyes that is only worth it if he gets me off scot free something I don't think he will be able to do.

Vlad your right I should have kept my mouth shut, I have never been in that situation and acted differently then I thought I would have.

 

Unless you know some really good attorney why specialized in traffic court, which I doubt, don't waste your money. Attorney knows he gets his money, and he know that you knows that result is unpredictable, so he's not going to put a fight. He has no interest whatsoever to fight.

The only person that has great interest and ready to put effort is YOU. Legal defence kit from National Motorists Assosiation will cost you about $190, and will provide you with everything you need to fight. Also not getting an attorney and preparing case yourself you have a great chanse to get judge's sympathy which is 99% of the win.

Of course if you can't put together a good case, and just will say something like "I don't deserve this ticket, it'll mark my driving record", then don't bother to go to court. No, wait, you still have a chanse of cop not showing up!

 

Have you tried the ticket clinic on the link I provided above? As I mentioned here in Florida the cost is about the same or less than the ticket, a couple of years ago I had 2 tickets for speeding one with laser on the highway and another with radar on surface street within 2 months of each other, the lawyer charged me less than the two fines would have been and got them dismissed so no record not even remark on my record. If you take school or plead no contest and no points are put on it still shows up on your record.

 

What a foolish advise, and what a naive thinking!!! I just can't belive there are such people out there!

Who said you have to PAY if you doing something illegal? Do you really believe that's what law about?

Traffic tickets were suppose to make people drive slower. But those times a long gone. Today it's a very profitable business, were cops, local authorities and insurance companies cooperated together to rip citizens off. For long time it has nothing to do with punishing and preventing, it's just a business. And their main support is people like you, who says Thank You, when somebody rape them.

 

This is great advice trust me. I was in the same situation and didn't want a lawayer because I thought it would be too expensive. I had 2 tickets 1 month apart. Trying to adjust to florida driving and just shitty luck.

And actually didn't get points but both are on the record. Which mean guess what ding ding. You got it right. Insurance sky rockets.

 

Holier than what? A monkey pissing into the wind? Yeah, right Bob. You figured me out.

del105 knows he broke the law, but it appeared to me that he originally didn't want to take responsibility for it; he wanted to "beat the system" and he wanted everyone's help in doing it. Now, after considering all of the options, he acknowledges that he wants to take responsibility, but, if possible, in a way that would not impact his insurance costs (such as probation). He's 30 and he's been speeding a long time; he admits that. He only got caught once. Still, it's a hard lesson.

Good luck, del105. Again, I'm sorry you got a ticket. Let us know how it goes...
WayneTN

 

He asked for advice , not an ethics lecture.Yeah he screwed up , as we all have. If one can find a loophole in the system, use it.

 

westpak I have call the attorney from ticketclinic.com and am waiting for him to return my phone call. We'll see what he has to say.

Wayne as far as me admitting guilt and being wrong. Yes I was speeding, yes maybe I should have to pay a fine as my punishment, no I don't think I should have to pay raised insurance rates for 3 years because of it, So I'm looking for advise on beating the system.

 

Bob, actually what he said was:

But, anyway, since you didn't give me the monkey this time your "ethics lecture" point is well taken. Yeah, we've all messed up, haven't we? (No monkeys, no monkeys, no monkeys - please.)

del105, no more ethical lectures. Hope your insurance doesn't go up. Especially since tickets in Z's and wrecks in Z's make the insurance for that car go up for us all.

WayneTN

 

OK lets face it as Vlad put it it is not about keeping us safe, if that was the case they would be patrolling all the streets 24/7 looking for "evil doers" not setting up behind a bush waiting for someone to speed by. I don't see them pulling over the ******* that just cut me off or cruised across 3 lanes almost caused accidents or drove on the emergency lanes to pass people, it is all about collecting revenue for the government and for the insurance to use it as an excuse to raise rates even if you never have a claim.

Lets not be idiots into thinking that is ais about right and wrong, it is not about robbing a bank and trying to get away with it, it is about money and I already pay enough taxes so I would rather give it to guy trying to make a living and at the same time save my insurance rates.

With todays cars and roads speed is not the problem it is people and idiots that do the stupid stuff I mentioned before and just can't drive.

 

i went to court dressed in all white to look as angelic as possible, put on the cutest but very innocent smile and said that the cop treated me like dirt, and i shud not have been punished for her bad day at work.
course, it may have worked since i stood in front of a male who seemed very sympathetic to my situation....

 

Thanks for the sugestion, in order to be able to get the same results we need a picture to make sure we get it right

 

Look what I found! I was looking for amount of revenue Chicago generates from tickets each year... and found excellent article on correlation between speed and safety.
http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/speed/homepages/

"The NCPA cites the safety record of Germany's Autobahn where, despite minimal speed enforcement, fatality rates are virtually identical to the much-patrolled U.S. interstate system, on which millions of speeding tickets are issued. "

 

Del105.. Who exactly gave you the ticket? What jurisdiction? Fulton Co?, City of Roswell, Alpharetta?? Ga. State Patrol?? who.. then you will know who you are dealing with.. It has been about 10 years sicne i have done traffic law.. (I do Workers comp now) BuT it depends where it is..
The first hearing is an arraignment.. plead not guilty.. and they will put you down for a trial date.. AT the first arraignment.. the officer will NOT be there.. doesnt have to be..
I can tell you more if you are interested.. I beat a speeding tix in Roswell in 89.. I will tell you how if you want.

I DO LOVE THIS CAR!!

 

It was atlanta PD that gave me a ticket.

I welcome any info you can give me Carterattorney.

 

Yes, there are consequences for your actions. You break the law you pay the consequences. Most people don't want to take responsibility for what they do, bah.

We live in a society where they take some of your money rather than your hand. And there are varying degrees of punishment. There's nothing naive about it. It's obvious that there will be corruption in ANY system b/c ALL systems are run by people, and people are not perfect. It's naive to believe that you don't have to take responsibility for what you do in this world.

 

So I take it you support system where consequenses equals paying money to people who catch you? Lets see where it can lead us:

1. You just have to pay money if you violate the law.
2. If You violate again you simply pay more.
3. If you are rich you don't care and pay easily
4. So if you are rich you can violate law with no consiquenses (you have plenty of money to pay)
5. If you are rich you are above the law

Hmm... do you really agree with number 5? No? Then something wrong with number 1!

That's why I believe that everything that has to do with paying money isn't law. It's business.