Fast as stock Mustang GT.
07-04-2002, 03:56 PM
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The Z will definitely be as fast and most likely faster than a Mustang GT.. we will probably be close to the LS1 Camaro/Firebird guys. They had the Trans Am WS6 listed at 13.9@103 in C&D, and my brother just ran a 13.5@107 in his stock. I think we'll be seeing mid-high 13's when we go to the track. I can't wait to go out and smoke some 'stangs!
07-04-2002, 04:02 PM
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It is much the same way with the gm f-body (camaro and firebird) The engine is great and takes modifications well, the chassis and fit and finish leaves something to be desired.
The Z should be a better sports car on several levels, while not being able to out accelerate an f-body. I look forward to getting mine!
The Z should be a better sports car on several levels, while not being able to out accelerate an f-body. I look forward to getting mine!
07-04-2002, 09:08 PM
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Not trying to offend Mustang owners; the car provides good bang for the buck. But...there are just too many of them. My un-researched guess is 100,000+ copies are produced annually. IMO...unispiring car at this point because of their popularity(paradox). I drive 400 miles a week and it seems a see 10 Mustangs every day. Same applies to the Camaro and Firebird...yawn.
07-05-2002, 01:53 AM
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A few comments, as a current '00 Mustang GT owner and a former '90 300ZX non-turbo -
body integrity (Mustang) - acceptable in the coupe but could be better overall; they've done pretty well for a platform that has its roots from a '79 Fairmont!; my highest mileage Mustang ('94 GT, around 60,000 miles) was rattle-free when I sold it and the current one has only a minor creak that comes out in cold winter temperatures
parts reliability (Mustang) - cost cutting has hurt the car here; there are too many failures of specific items like throw-out bearings, anti-roll bars, weak transmission shift forks, rear pinion gears, cheaper quality leather interior, etc.
engine performance (Mustang) - low-end torque is what gives this car a stoplight advantage; it is rated at 302ft-lb at its peak, but dynos seem to show more like 310ft-lb; runs out of steam on the quarter-mile with "low" trap speeds in the high 90s but simple mods to bump the horsepower improves that
paint quality (Mustang) - needs some help here; the switch to a waterborn paint process might have helped orange peel problems, but the paint on plastic surfaces has more of a tendency to peel now
design (Mustang) - reflects the expecations of the target market who love 60s performance cars
aftermarket customization (Mustang) - many, many companies provide the ability to customize in alomst unlimited ways for both appearance and performance
Since the Camaro/Firebird cars are going out of production, it is good to see there will be a competitive vehicle that will be sold. I do believe the 350Z is in a more sophisticated league in terms of design, engineering, and quality. The price is in the range of the "premium" Mustangs now (high $20,000s to mid $30,000s), so I really look more than twice at the 350Z. In the end, I see the competition will be a benefit for Mustang lovers, since Ford now has to respond to what is a very strong performance package from a non-V8, Japanese competitor in the same price range. I respect what Nissan has done with the 350Z. Enjoy your new rides!
PS - Annually over the past 4 years, there have been 30,000+ GTs produced, about 10,000 preimum Mustangs (special editions and Cobras), out of a total of around 150,000 in total. While not exclusive, it seems that Z has a similar mission to the Mustang, to bring affordable performance to the masses.
body integrity (Mustang) - acceptable in the coupe but could be better overall; they've done pretty well for a platform that has its roots from a '79 Fairmont!; my highest mileage Mustang ('94 GT, around 60,000 miles) was rattle-free when I sold it and the current one has only a minor creak that comes out in cold winter temperatures
parts reliability (Mustang) - cost cutting has hurt the car here; there are too many failures of specific items like throw-out bearings, anti-roll bars, weak transmission shift forks, rear pinion gears, cheaper quality leather interior, etc.
engine performance (Mustang) - low-end torque is what gives this car a stoplight advantage; it is rated at 302ft-lb at its peak, but dynos seem to show more like 310ft-lb; runs out of steam on the quarter-mile with "low" trap speeds in the high 90s but simple mods to bump the horsepower improves that
paint quality (Mustang) - needs some help here; the switch to a waterborn paint process might have helped orange peel problems, but the paint on plastic surfaces has more of a tendency to peel now
design (Mustang) - reflects the expecations of the target market who love 60s performance cars
aftermarket customization (Mustang) - many, many companies provide the ability to customize in alomst unlimited ways for both appearance and performance
Since the Camaro/Firebird cars are going out of production, it is good to see there will be a competitive vehicle that will be sold. I do believe the 350Z is in a more sophisticated league in terms of design, engineering, and quality. The price is in the range of the "premium" Mustangs now (high $20,000s to mid $30,000s), so I really look more than twice at the 350Z. In the end, I see the competition will be a benefit for Mustang lovers, since Ford now has to respond to what is a very strong performance package from a non-V8, Japanese competitor in the same price range. I respect what Nissan has done with the 350Z. Enjoy your new rides!
PS - Annually over the past 4 years, there have been 30,000+ GTs produced, about 10,000 preimum Mustangs (special editions and Cobras), out of a total of around 150,000 in total. While not exclusive, it seems that Z has a similar mission to the Mustang, to bring affordable performance to the masses.
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07-06-2002, 03:41 AM
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Coming from a current Z28 owner:
The new Z is definately going to be very fast. I wouldn't be surprised if the latter of the magazines getting the car got better times. The reason being is that the engine will have more miles on it, and is probably broken in better. The new Z should definately be faster than the new mustang GT's. I have seen them down here run anywhere from 14.1's to 14.5's. This could have been stock, or the 14.1 could have had a cat back exhaust and cold air intake. Now, about the F-bodies... The Z, unless it is underrated from nissan will probably not keep up with the LS1 F-bodies(98-2002). This isn't an opinion, its a fact. GM has underrated this engine quite a bit. Many people are running low 13's and even 12.9's on stock camaros. A GM magazine even did an article on it once. The same holds true for the new supercharged Cobra. Ford has also underrated this engine and i saw a dyno sheet with the hp figues in the upper 300's.
Also, remember that a race is not only the faster car, it has a lot to do with the driver. I have raced and beat many faster cars than I, but i was quicker because i didn't spin, or any other reason.
Another thing to remember, Torque goes a long way, and from everything i've heard, this engine is pretty torquey, which should make for some fun driving. There's a saying that goes "HP wins at the track, Torque wins on the street."
Happy Pony hunting!!!
The new Z is definately going to be very fast. I wouldn't be surprised if the latter of the magazines getting the car got better times. The reason being is that the engine will have more miles on it, and is probably broken in better. The new Z should definately be faster than the new mustang GT's. I have seen them down here run anywhere from 14.1's to 14.5's. This could have been stock, or the 14.1 could have had a cat back exhaust and cold air intake. Now, about the F-bodies... The Z, unless it is underrated from nissan will probably not keep up with the LS1 F-bodies(98-2002). This isn't an opinion, its a fact. GM has underrated this engine quite a bit. Many people are running low 13's and even 12.9's on stock camaros. A GM magazine even did an article on it once. The same holds true for the new supercharged Cobra. Ford has also underrated this engine and i saw a dyno sheet with the hp figues in the upper 300's.
Also, remember that a race is not only the faster car, it has a lot to do with the driver. I have raced and beat many faster cars than I, but i was quicker because i didn't spin, or any other reason.
Another thing to remember, Torque goes a long way, and from everything i've heard, this engine is pretty torquey, which should make for some fun driving. There's a saying that goes "HP wins at the track, Torque wins on the street."
Happy Pony hunting!!!
07-06-2002, 07:47 AM
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I think the 350Z and Mustang GT will be close in the 0-60 realm, traction and finding the best launch points being the factors in my opinion. The Z should have the upper hand in top speed at the end of the 1/4 mile. While both cars are at a horsepower and torque disadvantage compared to the current F-Body cars, mods and drivers will make an interesting combination. Forced induction systems on the Z will really make things interesting.
So many variables, so much fun!
So many variables, so much fun!
11-07-2002, 10:15 AM
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The 350Z and the Mustang GT should run very close, I saw a 5.4 sec 0-60 and 14.0 sec 1/4 mile in Motor Trend back in 1999 issue with a brand new (not broke-in) Mustang GT http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8 , it varies from mag to mag, but the GT coupe stick is alway 5.4-5.8 secs 0-60 and 13.9 to 14.1 sec 1/4 mile, the conv is slower and the auto also slower (like 14.5-14.7sec.
The 350Z is also 5.4-5.6 sec and 1/4mile 13.9-14.2 and it varies between magazines.
the real life I have heard of 350Z going 13.8s and also GT's going 13.8s so they should be very close in a race, the 350Z has higher HP and the GT has higher Torque... and acutally the way to calculate the HP is base on the Torque, HP=Torque*RPM/5250, while the GT makes the power base on the Torque, the S2000 M3 and 350Z makes the power base on RPM's.
About handling the 350Z is better with a skidpad of 0.88g to 0.89g and the Mustang GT with a 0.86g. Also the interior on the GT is kind of cheap, thats why it cost less than the 350z. The 350Z is very solid, the GT before 99 was very flexible-weak-slow, but I read also that the new 99+ are very solid made
Something I know for sure is that the 350Z will beat almost 75% of the Mustang out there (the V6's 190hp, auto GT's and convertibles), will hang with 15% (sometimes win and sometimes lose) coupe-stick GT's, and will lose to 10% Cobras and Machs.
The 350Z is also 5.4-5.6 sec and 1/4mile 13.9-14.2 and it varies between magazines.
the real life I have heard of 350Z going 13.8s and also GT's going 13.8s so they should be very close in a race, the 350Z has higher HP and the GT has higher Torque... and acutally the way to calculate the HP is base on the Torque, HP=Torque*RPM/5250, while the GT makes the power base on the Torque, the S2000 M3 and 350Z makes the power base on RPM's.
About handling the 350Z is better with a skidpad of 0.88g to 0.89g and the Mustang GT with a 0.86g. Also the interior on the GT is kind of cheap, thats why it cost less than the 350z. The 350Z is very solid, the GT before 99 was very flexible-weak-slow, but I read also that the new 99+ are very solid made
Something I know for sure is that the 350Z will beat almost 75% of the Mustang out there (the V6's 190hp, auto GT's and convertibles), will hang with 15% (sometimes win and sometimes lose) coupe-stick GT's, and will lose to 10% Cobras and Machs.
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11-07-2002, 11:56 AM
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I can't wait to see what the aftermarket brings for the Z...it should make it a fun car to modify. That's the main reason I got the Stang, ease of modifications (response to mods is amazing in these cars). Ford motorsports just came out with a 425 hp crate motor
Tony Alonso: very well said on the stang and 350Z. That was a good summary of the Stang
Tony Alonso: very well said on the stang and 350Z. That was a good summary of the Stang
11-07-2002, 12:24 PM
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Just received my new C&D yesterday. "Weapons of Mass Distraction" is the headline. The vehicles: 350Z, Audi TT, S2000, and a Mustang Mach 1.
350Z 0-60 5.7 1/4 14.3@100 Top speed 156
Mach 1 0-60 5.2 1/4 14.0@103 Top speed 151
S2000 0-60 6.3 1/4 14.9@95 Top speed 146
TT 0-60 7.3 1/4 15.7@88 Top speed 130
350Z 0-60 5.7 1/4 14.3@100 Top speed 156
Mach 1 0-60 5.2 1/4 14.0@103 Top speed 151
S2000 0-60 6.3 1/4 14.9@95 Top speed 146
TT 0-60 7.3 1/4 15.7@88 Top speed 130
11-07-2002, 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by skimark
NO the Z is FASTER than a stock Mustang GT!
Not sure where you got your figures. These are from the Road & Track website:
Mustang GT - 0-60 = 6.0, 1/4 = 14.7
01 Cobra 5.6 14.2
01 Bullitt 5.8 14.3
And the Z will be faster than my modified 1995 5.0 Mustang GT
although I just can't part with it. The Z really delivers excellent performance numbers for the price. If I could just receive my confirmation and packet.
NO the Z is FASTER than a stock Mustang GT!
Not sure where you got your figures. These are from the Road & Track website:
Mustang GT - 0-60 = 6.0, 1/4 = 14.7
01 Cobra 5.6 14.2
01 Bullitt 5.8 14.3
And the Z will be faster than my modified 1995 5.0 Mustang GT
although I just can't part with it. The Z really delivers excellent performance numbers for the price. If I could just receive my confirmation and packet.
Most Mustang GTs are good for 13.3 - 14.1
I drive a Mustang GT now, but I have a Z on order. I guess my point is not to trust what magazines say.
11-07-2002, 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by mr. 25/8
poor little Camaros! They have been plain jane as of late, now their dead & they can't even claim any type of superiority of the Mustang anymore lol
poor little Camaros! They have been plain jane as of late, now their dead & they can't even claim any type of superiority of the Mustang anymore lol
11-07-2002, 02:33 PM
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I traded in my Mustang GT for my Z last Friday (I got ripped off on my trade-in...oh well). But I would have to agree that the Z is either just as fast or faster than the Mustang. I think it definitely drives better with awesome handling and it shifts a lot better into each gear.
11-07-2002, 04:21 PM
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A magazine I got about two mintsh ago hd the mach one doing 12.9@104 on just drag radials.
Here is a quote from the source on the stock GT:2001 GT
In contrast to the restored Shelby, the new 2001 GT we tested was a true factory flyer, with all of its components coming directly from Ford Motor Company. This car has a standard GT suspension, standard brakes and a 3.27:1 ring and pinion ratio. As for performance testing, this Oxford White GT has already clocked a 13.71 so we had a baseline to go against. And once we turned our senses to the 2001 GT we were greeted with a refined sports car that is suited to the modern performance era. Devices such as traction control, power everything, leather and a killer stereo make the new GT a comfy cruiser.
Here is the quote for the Mach 1:
This being said, it's going to be hard to resist the Mach 1 come next January. If Paul Svinicki's runs at the Atlanta Fun Ford Weekend are any indication of this car's prowess, they'll be lining up for them at the dealerships. In case you've missed the 8 million postings on the internet, Svinicki ran a best of 12.97 at 105.89 in a 5-speed Mach 1 prototype, with the only deviation from stock being a set of Nitto Drag Radials. Wow. That's right with any 428 Cobra Jet Mach 1 from the heyday of the musclecar era.
"It didn't feel like it wanted to rev as high as a 2001 Cobra, but it had so much more torque," Svinicki recalled of his pass in the new car. "The best part was the Shaker. It really moves around. You can watch it rise out of the hood."If there's a down side, it is that we've heard the Mach 1 may only be a one-year-only model. This is disappointing. The Mach 1 represents the rebirth of an American automotive legend. Just as Ford didn't kill the Cobra after 1993, we think Team Mustang ought to keep the Mach 1 alive long after '03. I guess the only way to make this happen is to vote with our wallets. I'm partial to red myself.
Can't argue the facts, although I will admit both cars had the air silencers removed and tire and jack removed, but that is free.
Here is a quote from the source on the stock GT:2001 GT
In contrast to the restored Shelby, the new 2001 GT we tested was a true factory flyer, with all of its components coming directly from Ford Motor Company. This car has a standard GT suspension, standard brakes and a 3.27:1 ring and pinion ratio. As for performance testing, this Oxford White GT has already clocked a 13.71 so we had a baseline to go against. And once we turned our senses to the 2001 GT we were greeted with a refined sports car that is suited to the modern performance era. Devices such as traction control, power everything, leather and a killer stereo make the new GT a comfy cruiser.
Here is the quote for the Mach 1:
This being said, it's going to be hard to resist the Mach 1 come next January. If Paul Svinicki's runs at the Atlanta Fun Ford Weekend are any indication of this car's prowess, they'll be lining up for them at the dealerships. In case you've missed the 8 million postings on the internet, Svinicki ran a best of 12.97 at 105.89 in a 5-speed Mach 1 prototype, with the only deviation from stock being a set of Nitto Drag Radials. Wow. That's right with any 428 Cobra Jet Mach 1 from the heyday of the musclecar era.
"It didn't feel like it wanted to rev as high as a 2001 Cobra, but it had so much more torque," Svinicki recalled of his pass in the new car. "The best part was the Shaker. It really moves around. You can watch it rise out of the hood."If there's a down side, it is that we've heard the Mach 1 may only be a one-year-only model. This is disappointing. The Mach 1 represents the rebirth of an American automotive legend. Just as Ford didn't kill the Cobra after 1993, we think Team Mustang ought to keep the Mach 1 alive long after '03. I guess the only way to make this happen is to vote with our wallets. I'm partial to red myself.
Can't argue the facts, although I will admit both cars had the air silencers removed and tire and jack removed, but that is free.
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Hey this is my first post on here. I think that the 350z are some nice cars. Well I drive a Mustang Bullitt and I read some of the replys about the gt and the bullitt. Well not to start a flame but the mags a crap at getting some good time out of them. If you guys visit www.bullittclub.com you will see that many people are running high to mid 13's stock, there is even a guy that ran a 13.3 stock. I took my car out with the stock goodyears and they were bald ( crapy 60' times- 2.4-2.5) and I pulled a 14.3 at 99.6mph (stock). So with tires with tread I should be high 13's or so. Again not to start flames you guys has very cars.
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11-07-2002, 05:57 PM
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"Z" out ran a GT
Last Friday night my son and his wife had a night out. We watched their kids and they took our new kid (the Z) out for the evening. When they got home the number one son was just about beside himself. He like myself is a racer. He now drives the car that I built back in 64 and had modified several times since. Anyway he ran into a GT on the way home an the guy wanted to play. They were running about 50mph at the time the guy jumped my son. I guess that they were side by side and the Mustang floored it. Andy stuck it into 3rd and left him. I understand that the Z pulled 2 car lengths on the horse just about that quick and I guess that when the boy went into 4th it was all over. Andy said he shut it down at about 95+ and he had a clear view of the GT’s headlights in his rear view mirror. So has the Z got it over a horse. I would say that it does.
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