Do Boltons really Help?
#61
Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
Your numbers are a little off for most FI setups...$6-8K is right in the range of my APS kit and with that bolted on a tuned I gained over 200whp...
#65
Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
Why would the "rev-up" motors make any higher power fully modded than the 287s??? They have the same compression and the same heads. Your going to change everything else with an N/A build. The only advantage they have fully modded is the VTC on the exhaust cams...and that's not going to make a major difference with a built N/A car.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Until someone tries we won't know.
#66
Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
The highest stock Z trap speed in the 1/4 mile is 103mph. The highest N/A that I know of is 108mph (and there are probably some cars like the crawford cars that can trap higher than that)...that extra 5mph doesn't come from nothing. That's a pretty significant power difference. Dyno numbers are nearly useless as a true measure of performance...
Agree that dyno numbers don't tell the whole story. But neither is drag racing the best measure of a sports car's performance.
#67
Originally Posted by Armitage
I think it will, especially when someone does a full build. No one with a Rev-Up motor to my knowledge has really done a full build. There aren't even any exhaust cams out for the Rev-Up motor yet. I think given that aspect, it will not be as difficult to break the 300whp mark.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Until someone tries we won't know.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Until someone tries we won't know.
DUDE...it's the SAME motor...with different cams, different lower intake manifold, and a slightly higher redline due to the extra intake breathing. ALL OF THESE things are changed during an N/A build. So the basic starting point would be exactly the same as the 287 motor sans the exhaust VTC.
You won't see any noticeable difference in the two fully built up.
#68
Originally Posted by twinship
And that 5mph gain in terminal speed is obtained at what cost, both in $$$ and in sacrified low-end torque?
Agree that dyno numbers don't tell the whole story. But neither is drag racing the best measure of a sports car's performance.
Agree that dyno numbers don't tell the whole story. But neither is drag racing the best measure of a sports car's performance.
#69
I'm a little confused...
Did the original poster mistakenly put "Bolt ons" when he really meant "NA".
Because I always thought the term "Bolt ons" meant that a company specifically made a product for your model of car so that the mod just "bolt on" instead of you having to frabicate and modify a generic application.
Example: You can buy a "bolt on" turbo kit made specifically for your car and you do not have to fabricate anything.
Or you go to a speed store, buy all the things needed for a turbo system and start fabricating your own custom turbo.
Isn't that what the difinition of "Bolt on" is?
Did the original poster mistakenly put "Bolt ons" when he really meant "NA".
Because I always thought the term "Bolt ons" meant that a company specifically made a product for your model of car so that the mod just "bolt on" instead of you having to frabicate and modify a generic application.
Example: You can buy a "bolt on" turbo kit made specifically for your car and you do not have to fabricate anything.
Or you go to a speed store, buy all the things needed for a turbo system and start fabricating your own custom turbo.
Isn't that what the difinition of "Bolt on" is?
#70
Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
Your numbers are a little off for most FI setups...$6-8K is right in the range of my APS kit and with that bolted on a tuned I gained over 200whp...
Originally Posted by Hella
I dont think a mod that costs 850-1200 to install can be considered a bolt on.
Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
I never said it was...refer to the post that I was quoting.
Last edited by Hella; 04-08-2006 at 09:24 PM.
#71
Originally Posted by Hella
This is what i was referring to.......although i realize what you were trying to say.
Here I'll fix it for you so it's easier to understand:
Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
Your numbers are a little off for most FI setups...$6-8K is right in the range of my APS kit and with that installed and tuned I gained over 200whp...
#73
Originally Posted by ZlleH
I'm a little confused...
Did the original poster mistakenly put "Bolt ons" when he really meant "NA".
Because I always thought the term "Bolt ons" meant that a company specifically made a product for your model of car so that the mod just "bolt on" instead of you having to frabicate and modify a generic application.
Example: You can buy a "bolt on" turbo kit made specifically for your car and you do not have to fabricate anything.
Or you go to a speed store, buy all the things needed for a turbo system and start fabricating your own custom turbo.
Isn't that what the difinition of "Bolt on" is?
Did the original poster mistakenly put "Bolt ons" when he really meant "NA".
Because I always thought the term "Bolt ons" meant that a company specifically made a product for your model of car so that the mod just "bolt on" instead of you having to frabicate and modify a generic application.
Example: You can buy a "bolt on" turbo kit made specifically for your car and you do not have to fabricate anything.
Or you go to a speed store, buy all the things needed for a turbo system and start fabricating your own custom turbo.
Isn't that what the difinition of "Bolt on" is?
#74
Sorry, your original posts did not have any signs of you trying to refer to the singer. I reread the post again, and I would have to be a mind reader to know you where refering to the singer.
Originally Posted by Cannysage
I was only making a reference to Michael bolton.. let move along
#75
Originally Posted by ZlleH
Sorry, your original posts did not have any signs of you trying to refer to the singer. I reread the post again, and I would have to be a mind reader to know you where refering to the singer.
and plus michael bolton
#77
Originally Posted by Ayankees2772
Bolt ons do work. In order to do a super charger, turbo, etc...you have to have headers, etc. so u will need to have some type of bolt ons to even get the the SC and turbo area...ps im bored at work!
#79
Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
DUDE...it's the SAME motor...with different cams, different lower intake manifold, and a slightly higher redline due to the extra intake breathing. ALL OF THESE things are changed during an N/A build. So the basic starting point would be exactly the same as the 287 motor sans the exhaust VTC.
You won't see any noticeable difference in the two fully built up.
You won't see any noticeable difference in the two fully built up.
#80
Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
DUDE...it's the SAME motor...with different cams, different lower intake manifold, and a slightly higher redline due to the extra intake breathing. ALL OF THESE things are changed during an N/A build. So the basic starting point would be exactly the same as the 287 motor sans the exhaust VTC.
You won't see any noticeable difference in the two fully built up.
You won't see any noticeable difference in the two fully built up.
https://my350z.com/forum/2003-2009-nissan-350z/188423-finally-got-a-baseline-dyno-on-my-z.html
Baseline BONE STOCK dyno of 268whp. Other 300hp rev-ups that day were running about the same as well. If all goes well, I may be able to break 300whp with just bolt-ons.
I am also trying to find a local Dynojet to see what kind of numbers I put out on that as well though. And in a couple of weeks I'm hitting the strip to see what kind of times and trap speeds I can put down.