350z - Torque - where is it?
Originally Posted by Starchecker
I think you are on the right path, JWT does seem to be able to invert the HP/TQ curve. It's not uncommon to see 400whp and 430 wtq. Just has to be the design of the kit, maybe the smaller turbos spooling up faster, that's the only design difference I can tell in the kit.
Are you ready to drop the money on TT's, if so you're in CA so I wouldn't fight it, give VRT a call!
Are you ready to drop the money on TT's, if so you're in CA so I wouldn't fight it, give VRT a call!
Originally Posted by Cannysage
I first that you were talking about rev-up engine on the 06 on your original post.. but yeah..
also.. when you have a torque monster of a car, where the tq curve way above the hp, sorta speak, wouldn't having a flat tq curve be less relevant??
also.. when you have a torque monster of a car, where the tq curve way above the hp, sorta speak, wouldn't having a flat tq curve be less relevant??
Originally Posted by Cannysage
correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be kinda dangerous to have all the toque in the higher end of the rpm, with cars putting out that much power??
first chart has a very clean power curve.. no funky dip and such. 2nd chart has some serious midrange pull between 3k ~ 4k. but I do agree, the torque curve falls to short..
first chart has a very clean power curve.. no funky dip and such. 2nd chart has some serious midrange pull between 3k ~ 4k. but I do agree, the torque curve falls to short..
You'd have to drive a diesel car like a VW to understand what I meant about "poor driveability". Some diesel engines will red line at 4,500rpm. So the HP number is always lower than the peak torque. They work very well, but not for long (rpm wise).
We can view the situation from many angles (and we are, this is a nice topic by the way :-) ). For our Z, we are pretty much limited with the car's final drive. Having tons of torque at 4,400 rpm would be useless since you'd just be doing burnouts at 80mph. (okay, that would be fun) My point is, 100lb more or less won't make a difference once you brake traction.
Like Starchecker said, the setup you've shown is probably running a small enough turbo to limit lag, but too small to maintain boost at high rpm. It's not fun when the nose drops down way before red line because you're loosing torque. It's purely subjective because you'd still be going fast. But it wouldn't feel fast. Not like when you red line your Z now.
I'm not sure I'm making sense...
Originally Posted by Cannysage
violent racing's been building some beefy cars with a whole lot of torque. I wanna follow the same foot steps. wonder what their secret is..
NOTE: We have noticed Torque and WHP to be similiar up to around 10 PSI, after that, torque defintely exceeds WHP as much as 10-20%.
Yes, I said that correctly. Torque exceeds WHP as much as 10-20% after 10 PSI using the BB530 and BB700 turbos.
And BTW, I owned a ZO6, the car had less than 400 WHP, yet with 400 ft/lbs it moved through the gears amazingly. This is how and why we use the JWTs roadracing, they are perfect to simulate powerful V8 torque.
Goodluck.
M
Originally Posted by mraturbo
Small turbos, good tuning, and an excellent designed turbo kit that JWT has come up with.
NOTE: We have noticed Torque and WHP to be similiar up to around 10 PSI, after that, torque defintely exceeds WHP as much as 10-20%.
Yes, I said that correctly. Torque exceeds WHP as much as 10-20% after 10 PSI using the BB530 and BB700 turbos.
And BTW, I owned a ZO6, the car had less than 400 WHP, yet with 400 ft/lbs it moved through the gears amazingly. This is how and why we use the JWTs roadracing, they are perfect to simulate powerful V8 torque.
Goodluck.
M

NOTE: We have noticed Torque and WHP to be similiar up to around 10 PSI, after that, torque defintely exceeds WHP as much as 10-20%.
Yes, I said that correctly. Torque exceeds WHP as much as 10-20% after 10 PSI using the BB530 and BB700 turbos.
And BTW, I owned a ZO6, the car had less than 400 WHP, yet with 400 ft/lbs it moved through the gears amazingly. This is how and why we use the JWTs roadracing, they are perfect to simulate powerful V8 torque.
Goodluck.
M

thanks for chiming in. very cool site you got going on, too.
Originally Posted by Kolia
Torque is important of course.
But how you apply it is very important too.
A +50lb of peak torque at 4,400rpm but little gain higher or a +30lb of torque accross the rpm range won't have the same effect. I'd rather get to +30lb everywhere.
And if I do that, the HP numbers will always progress faster.
If the Torque and HP number get closer simply mean you're not gaining as much torque high in the rpm as you are in mid range.
Peak numbers (Torque or HP) are meaningless on the street.
But how you apply it is very important too.
A +50lb of peak torque at 4,400rpm but little gain higher or a +30lb of torque accross the rpm range won't have the same effect. I'd rather get to +30lb everywhere.
And if I do that, the HP numbers will always progress faster.
If the Torque and HP number get closer simply mean you're not gaining as much torque high in the rpm as you are in mid range.
Peak numbers (Torque or HP) are meaningless on the street.
One more point that I see brought out on the forum is the VQ specs, two VQ engines, one with 287 Hp and one with 300 Hp, both have different peak torque. 300Hp has a flatter Tq curve than the 287Hp one, so its more usable over a wide rpm range even though the 287Hp engine has higher peak Tq.
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