Can Moderators Chill On Deleting Posts?
07-10-2002, 08:57 PM
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Zbarrister, you seriously need to lighten up! Do you really think I was trying to be insulting? If I insulted you, well, I won't say sorry, but it wasn't intended. I actually picked up that statement after Jay said 'It's not like we ****-moderate and tell everyone "the way it is"', because I disagree. Anyway, chill out.
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07-10-2002, 09:06 PM
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all right, deep breath everyone. first off, to jay and all the mods, you're all doing a great job. keep it up. next, to everyone else, there are rules to this forum to keep everything as calm and civilized as possible. it is ultimately up to you to decide what to put in your own posts and you should be asking yourself before you ever post if there is anything that might break or bend one of these rules or someone could take as an innapropriate remark. also, common sense goes a long way as does the search function. while posts and sometimes entire threads seem to vanish, don't immediately subscribe to the cheapest conspiracy theory. as far as cursing in the forum goes, you can type a mixture of alphas and symbols and people will definitely know what you were thinking. as it is against the rules to type it out and people have been "creative" with their spelling to no ill affect from the mods, it seems this is how these words should be approached if you must have them. does it make sense? no. but that is just the way it is and sometimes you have to accept that and move on. my advice, if someone doesn't want their post deleted, use the rules, logic, and courtesy for others to analyze your words before posting. if you do notice something after you have posted that you are unsure of, ask a mod or just take the initiative and edit your own post.
your(your words)post = you're responsible
Just my .02 guys and gals. Sorry to take up the space.
your(your words)post = you're responsible
Just my .02 guys and gals. Sorry to take up the space.
07-10-2002, 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by ZBarrister
Let me say that using the word "Gestapo" to make your point is extremely out of line. Either you were purposely trying to use an inflammatory rhetoric or you simply do not know your history!
Comparing what you call "aggressive editing" to the utter atrocities inflicted by the Geheime Staatspolizei (German for Secret Police, abbreviated to Gestapo) is simply out of line.
I have no complaints, however other persons do, fair enough all our perceptions are different.
However, make your arguments without using images and concepts you clearly do not understand. It's simply bad form and does not help those reading your posts understand your side of things.
The old adage seems to run true: Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it!
Let me say that using the word "Gestapo" to make your point is extremely out of line. Either you were purposely trying to use an inflammatory rhetoric or you simply do not know your history!
Comparing what you call "aggressive editing" to the utter atrocities inflicted by the Geheime Staatspolizei (German for Secret Police, abbreviated to Gestapo) is simply out of line.
I have no complaints, however other persons do, fair enough all our perceptions are different.
However, make your arguments without using images and concepts you clearly do not understand. It's simply bad form and does not help those reading your posts understand your side of things.
The old adage seems to run true: Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it!
I also recall that their wasn't much resistance to the Gestapo in its early days. Most people weren't affected by their tactics. Only a select few who weren't listened to because it was their problem. Only when a person was targetted did it get to be their problem to.
No, this place isn't a Gestapo in any sense of the word even though we use it to catagorize a place that uses strong arm tactics. I do think that is all that was meant by it, but since you brought up the history, I just wanted to liken it to what you said.
07-10-2002, 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by BrianZ
Nizl:
Have you tried ZCAR.COM instead?
Nizl:
Have you tried ZCAR.COM instead?
07-10-2002, 09:57 PM
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An opinion is like an *******, everybody's got one. 
oops, I swore.
As I type this, I have a smile on my face and I am chuckling to myself. My better judgement tells me to "let it go" but the other part me of me just has to point out that there is always someone whining about something on this board.
If it's not the embargo, it's the moderation of posts. I seriously think it's funny because the bottom line is that I and the other mods don't write people's posts. We're not the ones getting sexist and or racist yet when we modify some idiot's remark's, we're the bad guys to some.
I'd say less than 1% of the people whine, and they throw out their comments about how we're censoring and all this other garbage. What they seem to miss though, is that if they weren't offending people with their posts in the first place, we wouldn't have to edit them!
As for swears or cussing, yes, I have said a few and I have never edited someone else that said "***" or "****". When you start throwing the F word around... then odds are high someone will edit you.
I appreciate all the comments from those of you that feel we're doing a great job. We're not perfect, but we're trying to better than some of the other forums out there.
To those that feel we're over the line and all that other stuff, why not just leave the site/forum forever? I heard Zcar.com has some openings these days from what some people have posted regarding the lack of posts there now compared to the way it used to be.
I'm not hacking on Derek or Vince, I loved zcar.com until it got worse than a playground, at which point I created this site and many of you agreed with me obviously.
Again, your support and donations are appreciated! Thanks for keeping us number one!
-j-
oops, I swore.
As I type this, I have a smile on my face and I am chuckling to myself. My better judgement tells me to "let it go" but the other part me of me just has to point out that there is always someone whining about something on this board.
If it's not the embargo, it's the moderation of posts. I seriously think it's funny because the bottom line is that I and the other mods don't write people's posts. We're not the ones getting sexist and or racist yet when we modify some idiot's remark's, we're the bad guys to some.
I'd say less than 1% of the people whine, and they throw out their comments about how we're censoring and all this other garbage. What they seem to miss though, is that if they weren't offending people with their posts in the first place, we wouldn't have to edit them!
As for swears or cussing, yes, I have said a few and I have never edited someone else that said "***" or "****". When you start throwing the F word around... then odds are high someone will edit you.
I appreciate all the comments from those of you that feel we're doing a great job. We're not perfect, but we're trying to better than some of the other forums out there.
To those that feel we're over the line and all that other stuff, why not just leave the site/forum forever? I heard Zcar.com has some openings these days from what some people have posted regarding the lack of posts there now compared to the way it used to be.
I'm not hacking on Derek or Vince, I loved zcar.com until it got worse than a playground, at which point I created this site and many of you agreed with me obviously.
Again, your support and donations are appreciated! Thanks for keeping us number one!
-j-
07-10-2002, 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by raceboy
That is flat out inflamatory!! Statements like that are exactly what makes zcar.com what it is. Maybe you should take your own advice. Pretty ironic!!!!
That is flat out inflamatory!! Statements like that are exactly what makes zcar.com what it is. Maybe you should take your own advice. Pretty ironic!!!!
Come on man... you know exactly where Brian was going with that comment. He was just saying if Nate didn't like it here, than he should kick it back to Zcar. Same thing I would have said and have said. I know Nate does like it here though, he was just posting his thoughts on the topic.
Something so simple and we all get heated. Yikes.... we're all batting for the same team here right?
(the 350Z... haha... not some sexual comment thank you very much)
-j-
07-10-2002, 10:08 PM
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hey ya want to see funny? Somebody (Jeff15?) started a thread at freshalloy refrencing this site and its overzelous mods which after one reply was LOCKED! hehehe
07-10-2002, 10:38 PM
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I do enjoy this site, and I come to it quite often in fact (even though I don't post all the time). I agree with Nizl and infinite z in the sense that some posts might be edited unfairly. I totally agree that sexist, racists, or other remarks like that should be taken off. However, I feel that without some debate or criticism about certain topics, a message board wouldn't be.....a message board. Jeff15 was a little annoying and seeing him go won't bother me any. What I'm saying is, I would hate to see this nice site become a place of constant editing by the mods over some trivial stuff. Other than that, so good so far!
Ok, let's move on people
07-11-2002, 12:06 AM
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Jay-
I didn't mean to start anything here, I just wanted to opine my belief that a couple of the mods have needlessly edited mine and other's comments. I have never once made racial or sexist remarks, and never would. I have never flamed anyone or directly insulted anyone either. I just think that in an effort to keep this site clean and fun, a few of the mods have gotten a little trigger happy when someone expresses an opinion that might be controversial (but not racist or sexist or inflammatory). I don't know anything about this Jeff15 guy, so I'm not supporting anything he did. But I just felt my opinion on my opinions should be heard. This is a wonderful community here, and open discussion about this fantastic car should be welcomed, not restricted. Ok, I'm done. I hope I wasn't ranting.
I didn't mean to start anything here, I just wanted to opine my belief that a couple of the mods have needlessly edited mine and other's comments. I have never once made racial or sexist remarks, and never would. I have never flamed anyone or directly insulted anyone either. I just think that in an effort to keep this site clean and fun, a few of the mods have gotten a little trigger happy when someone expresses an opinion that might be controversial (but not racist or sexist or inflammatory). I don't know anything about this Jeff15 guy, so I'm not supporting anything he did. But I just felt my opinion on my opinions should be heard. This is a wonderful community here, and open discussion about this fantastic car should be welcomed, not restricted. Ok, I'm done. I hope I wasn't ranting.
07-11-2002, 01:32 AM
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Jeez, this dead horse can't be beat much more. Would a mod. please delete THIS THREAD. j/k 
Which reminds me...did you hear about the guy who was into sadism, beastiality and necrophilia... he's not into that anymore...his girlfriend convinced him he was beating a dead horse (sowwy).
Which reminds me...did you hear about the guy who was into sadism, beastiality and necrophilia... he's not into that anymore...his girlfriend convinced him he was beating a dead horse (sowwy).
07-11-2002, 04:56 AM
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First off I wanted to say that I think this is an excellent site and I probably spend way too much time on it. I do appreciate all of the hard work and time that goes into the site. Great job Jay and thanks to his wife for sharing him with us.
Second, this thread is off topic and should be moved to the appropriate location.
Finally, I also have to agree with NIZL, Raceboy, Infinite Z & Sabre on many of their comments.
I too had a post deleted for nothing deragotory, racist, etc.. I had emailed Jay to find out what had happened, and was told to search for it. It didn't exist. I didn't understand what the heck had happened to it until a few days later when I found out that it was deleted by a mod. I Received a message in my box stating that there were complaints to remove the thread. I didn't try to anger or attack anyone with the post. I guess that they didn't like my humor, but it was a serious post and a valid one that was taken completely wrong.
There have been a lot of bad, dumb and inappropriate comments made in posts. If you don't like something ignore it. Ditto to what Jay said about opinions. If I have offended anyone I apologize.
Yes, we need to keep things good and clean without flaming, etc.
We do not need an over anxious mod censoring ever little thing that they don't like or agree with. A mod with a god complex will ruin the site. Sorry for the long post.
Keep up the great job Jay.
Second, this thread is off topic and should be moved to the appropriate location.
Finally, I also have to agree with NIZL, Raceboy, Infinite Z & Sabre on many of their comments.
I too had a post deleted for nothing deragotory, racist, etc.. I had emailed Jay to find out what had happened, and was told to search for it. It didn't exist. I didn't understand what the heck had happened to it until a few days later when I found out that it was deleted by a mod. I Received a message in my box stating that there were complaints to remove the thread. I didn't try to anger or attack anyone with the post. I guess that they didn't like my humor, but it was a serious post and a valid one that was taken completely wrong.
There have been a lot of bad, dumb and inappropriate comments made in posts. If you don't like something ignore it. Ditto to what Jay said about opinions. If I have offended anyone I apologize.
Yes, we need to keep things good and clean without flaming, etc.
We do not need an over anxious mod censoring ever little thing that they don't like or agree with. A mod with a god complex will ruin the site. Sorry for the long post.
Keep up the great job Jay.
07-11-2002, 09:53 PM
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I'm a moderator on another very large automotive tech site, so I know how the job can be frustrating at times. You woulnd't believe how many stupid things members post that they don't realize offends other members.
This site is relatively new, with most of the members having pre-orders. Unfortunately, I will warn the moderators that the future may yield a large influx of ricers and kids, so be forewarned that your duties may increase 10 fold.
Regardless, the Moderators are all justified in their actions. Keep up the good work, and to the rest of you, happy posting. Have fun and learn.
This site is relatively new, with most of the members having pre-orders. Unfortunately, I will warn the moderators that the future may yield a large influx of ricers and kids, so be forewarned that your duties may increase 10 fold.
Regardless, the Moderators are all justified in their actions. Keep up the good work, and to the rest of you, happy posting. Have fun and learn.
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