Notices
2003-2009 Nissan 350Z

Weight Myth

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-06-2006, 12:03 PM
  #21  
jeeper78
Registered User
 
jeeper78's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Appleton, WI
Posts: 173
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Nissan's spec'd curb weight went up ~150lbs in '06, therefore I would expect that an '06 would be ~150 lbs heavier than an '05 of the same trim level assuming that they both have empty fuel tanks.
Old 12-06-2006, 01:00 PM
  #22  
97supratt
Registered User
iTrader: (61)
 
97supratt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Glendale California
Posts: 5,034
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Sound deadening doesn't weigh 150lbs people. lol

The only differences I think might attribute to these increases are the clutches on the 06 MT's are bigger, and the wheels are bigger than previous base models.

Can somebody find out the difference in weight for a 05 convertible vs a 06 convertible both have to be auto. The reason behind this is simple, both are auto, so both have the 287 motors and both have 18" wheels. That will prove once and for all if "all" 06's have an increase. I would also like to mention, a 03 base has 17" wheels that are quite light compared to a 06' base which has 18" wheels which are wider and heavier.
Old 12-06-2006, 01:32 PM
  #23  
dutchboy350Z
Finally some go
iTrader: (5)
 
dutchboy350Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posts: 6,940
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by bailey bill
GVWR stands for Gross Vehicle Weight Rating It is a measure of capacity. It is NOT determined by vehicle weight ("curb weight"), and vehicle weight is NOT determined by GVWR.

GVWR is the recomended maximum total load that the suspension system is designed for.
So you're saying that the 2006 have weaker suspensions and can't hold as much in cargo/passenger capacity.

Both vehicles have the same Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. So the 2006 Z can only carry 476 extra lbs while the 03-05s can carry up to 627 lbs.


Is everyone ignoring my first post in this thread? We weighed 2 2006 Zs and both were as much or less than the 03-05s
Old 12-06-2006, 01:41 PM
  #24  
DanielW
Banned
iTrader: (27)
 
DanielW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Concord, North Carolina
Posts: 3,485
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

there are all sorts of things that can throw off the weight number.. some of the weights in magazine's and online are without the spare and tools, some are without a full tank of gas, others include these items. I've seen everything from under 3200 to over 3500
Old 12-06-2006, 02:33 PM
  #25  
bailey bill
Registered User
 
bailey bill's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: sims, nc
Posts: 1,100
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by dutchboy350Z
So you're saying that the 2006 have weaker suspensions and can't hold as much in cargo/passenger capacity.
Obviously I'm NOT saying that.

According to your post, both have the same GVWR-3815. So the suspension capacity is unchanged.

But FWIW, the GVWR for my '06 Enthusiat coupe is 3919.

bill

Last edited by bailey bill; 12-06-2006 at 02:36 PM.
Old 12-06-2006, 08:03 PM
  #26  
Z04
Registered User
iTrader: (15)
 
Z04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Clarksville, Tennessee
Posts: 6,612
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by bailey bill

GVWR is the recomended maximum total load that the suspension system is designed for.
A gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) is the maximum allowable total weight of a road vehicle that is loaded to capacity, including the weight of the vehicle itself plus fuel, passengers, cargo, and other miscellaneous items such as extra aftermarket parts. nothing to do with the suspension, just what the manufacturer says the car will weigh loaded down to specification. You should not put more than 450 pounds in a Z, (this includes driver/passenger + whatever esle you got in there), otherwise you may go past the GVWR. and it is a "recommended" number for a reason
Old 12-06-2006, 10:27 PM
  #27  
ZlleH
Registered User
iTrader: (7)
 
ZlleH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 4,589
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Here is the info I have. When I was researching on which used 2003 trim to buy, I went to the Nissan website to look at their specs in 2005. I only recorded two models:

2005 Track: 3,225 pounds
2005 Touring is 3,247 pounds

And here is the 2006 weight from the Nissan site now:

2006 Track: 3,370 pounds (+145 pound difference)
2006 Touring is 3,400 pounds (+153 pound difference)

So here are the facts:
1. Both information I provided came from www.nissanusa.com and was not taken from other websites.
2. Both trims are the manual curb weight
3. I did not save any other trim weight information from 2005 as I was only interested in those two models.

Now you guys can conclude all you want, the 2006 guys can call it a myth, the 2003-2005 can say the 2006 is heavier, I don't really care. All I know is both those information came from the same website straight from Nissan published specs.
Old 12-06-2006, 10:37 PM
  #28  
97supratt
Registered User
iTrader: (61)
 
97supratt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Glendale California
Posts: 5,034
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ZlleH
Here is the info I have. When I was researching on which used 2003 trim to buy, I went to the Nissan website to look at their specs in 2005. I only recorded two models:

2005 Track: 3,225 pounds
2005 Touring is 3,247 pounds

And here is the 2006 weight from the Nissan site now:

2006 Track: 3,370 pounds (+145 pound difference)
2006 Touring is 3,400 pounds (+153 pound difference)

So here are the facts:
1. Both information I provided came from www.nissanusa.com and was not taken from other websites.
2. Both trims are the manual curb weight
3. I did not save any other trim weight information from 2005 as I was only interested in those two models.

Now you guys can conclude all you want, the 2006 guys can call it a myth, the 2003-2005 can say the 2006 is heavier, I don't really care. All I know is both those information came from the same website straight from Nissan published specs.
I believe it, the 06 track has 19's in the rear plus the clutch is much bigger than 03-05.
Old 12-07-2006, 09:23 AM
  #29  
Miko
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Miko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 542
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I thought the CD009 trans & clutch assembly was the same in the '05 & '06 models, since the 009 version was first introduced in the '05s.
Old 12-07-2006, 09:38 AM
  #30  
97supratt
Registered User
iTrader: (61)
 
97supratt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Glendale California
Posts: 5,034
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Miko
I thought the CD009 trans & clutch assembly was the same in the '05 & '06 models, since the 009 version was first introduced in the '05s.
I couldn't find the thread but I remember someone from performance nissan posted pics of the newer clutch assembly and the older one. I'm not quite sure if it was 05 & 06 or just 06.
Old 12-07-2006, 09:50 AM
  #31  
roast
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
roast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Okay, see?
Posts: 4,092
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Here we go again
Old 12-07-2006, 09:54 AM
  #32  
97supratt
Registered User
iTrader: (61)
 
97supratt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Glendale California
Posts: 5,034
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

You know what. Everythings the same, whatever you guys say is correct. I have no opinion on this matter, I am wrong. Happy?
Old 12-07-2006, 09:57 AM
  #33  
dutchboy350Z
Finally some go
iTrader: (5)
 
dutchboy350Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posts: 6,940
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

The only thing left to do would be to weigh them right?

Everyone is supplying second hand info. Has anyone actually weighed their car?

To beat a dead horse here it is again. The cars in bold are 2006 models. Osix-Mike had weight reduction (Single tail pipe and no spare). His brother Bob-Silverstone was stock (as far as I know). Maybe someone else that was at that MIR track day can chime in. DavidV where are ya Man? You're on the list.

Originally Posted by Alberto
Wanted to add in these #'s so everybody has them for future reference. if you see your car and would like to specify if yuo had any weight reduction such as spare/tools or anything else(gas level) make note...

Me = 3125-3/4 tank of gas, no spare, no passenger seat
Ryan-Black G = 3600
Dan (Celica) = 2325
Osix-Mike = 3170 **I told you the 06's werent heavier
Rico(sp?) Nightshade = 3170
Booby Ritz-Rob = 3500
Project Sherv = 3450
Ben-Poopra = 3160
Kirk-Orange Z = 3160
Bob-Silverstone = 3230
Integrity-Charles = 3180
David = 3060 *Lightest Z there
Mike-MDRacer = 3290
Tony-EVO = 3190
Last but not least Brents roadster aka The tank = 3770

Pretty cool we did this guys for those that have dyno'd you can now calculate very accurate power to weight.

Last edited by dutchboy350Z; 12-07-2006 at 10:30 AM.
Old 12-07-2006, 10:13 AM
  #34  
roast
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
roast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Okay, see?
Posts: 4,092
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

How many times has the weight thread been done before?

What exactly is the point of this thread?

If someone can fill me in I'd love to join the discussion.
Old 12-07-2006, 10:32 AM
  #35  
97supratt
Registered User
iTrader: (61)
 
97supratt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Glendale California
Posts: 5,034
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Do all 03-06 Z's run the same quarter mile times?
Old 12-07-2006, 11:26 AM
  #36  
roast
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
roast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Okay, see?
Posts: 4,092
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by 97supratt
Do all 03-06 Z's run the same quarter mile times?
It depends on the badging mostly. Fairlady badging is good to knock off a few tenths and add a few mph trap..... better yet add some nismo stickers and you'll really be cooking with propane.
Old 12-07-2006, 11:28 AM
  #37  
97supratt
Registered User
iTrader: (61)
 
97supratt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Glendale California
Posts: 5,034
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by roast
It depends on the badging mostly. Fairlady badging is good to knock off a few tenths and add a few mph trap..... better yet add some nismo stickers and you'll really be cooking with propane.
Really? I thought it was, a veilside sticker adds 50whp, and a megan racing sticker adds 500whp.
Old 12-07-2006, 04:42 PM
  #38  
Miko
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Miko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 542
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I think an '03-'05 stock Base/Enth with spare/jack removed running on 4 gallons fuel would egde out (or equal) a 3300/3400lb Z models with I/H/E & spacer who has spare & 3/4+ fuel racing 0-60 or 1/4? What do you guys think? Few hundred lbs vs some bonus whp
Old 12-07-2006, 08:21 PM
  #39  
trackpilot
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
trackpilot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Maryville, TN
Posts: 2,318
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by ZlleH
Here is the info I have. When I was researching on which used 2003 trim to buy, I went to the Nissan website to look at their specs in 2005. I only recorded two models:

2005 Track: 3,225 pounds
2005 Touring is 3,247 pounds

And here is the 2006 weight from the Nissan site now:

2006 Track: 3,370 pounds (+145 pound difference)
2006 Touring is 3,400 pounds (+153 pound difference)

So here are the facts:
1. Both information I provided came from www.nissanusa.com and was not taken from other websites.
2. Both trims are the manual curb weight
3. I did not save any other trim weight information from 2005 as I was only interested in those two models.

Now you guys can conclude all you want, the 2006 guys can call it a myth, the 2003-2005 can say the 2006 is heavier, I don't really care. All I know is both those information came from the same website straight from Nissan published specs.
Well maybe Nissan changed the way that they weighed the cars??? Maybe the '06 had a full tank of gas as compared to the '05???
Old 12-07-2006, 09:40 PM
  #40  
ZlleH
Registered User
iTrader: (7)
 
ZlleH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 4,589
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Sure, if that makes the fact feel better for you, I really don't care. People can come up with any excuse they want. Theories about Nissan using a different weighing machine, weighing with gas one year and weighing without gas another year. Weighing it in different climates. Weighing the car with a driver one year, and no driver another year.


Originally Posted by trackpilot
Well maybe Nissan changed the way that they weighed the cars??? Maybe the '06 had a full tank of gas as compared to the '05???


Quick Reply: Weight Myth



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:47 PM.