So... take the Nismo bodykit... add some flavor and a CF hood and...?
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.. if you think that's the case.
what if the dude has a fat wing, but his car can blow the doors off your car? is he still rice if his car can "go" too?
all show and no go is definately bad. but show and go must be worth something.. i admit. my maxima has some long grain on it. but hell. 320+ hp at the crank is pretty good for a 4door. i get the occational "dude your maxima is rice as hell" but then when they hear my BOV.. they go "oh"
and perhaps, if we can use another term other than rice. that would be appreciated. i dont know if that's offending anyother Asians on this forum.
--Cheston.
what if the dude has a fat wing, but his car can blow the doors off your car? is he still rice if his car can "go" too?
all show and no go is definately bad. but show and go must be worth something.. i admit. my maxima has some long grain on it. but hell. 320+ hp at the crank is pretty good for a 4door. i get the occational "dude your maxima is rice as hell" but then when they hear my BOV.. they go "oh"
and perhaps, if we can use another term other than rice. that would be appreciated. i dont know if that's offending anyother Asians on this forum.
--Cheston.
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Originally posted by MaximaDriver
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and perhaps, if we can use another term other than rice. that would be appreciated. i dont know if that's offending anyother Asians on this forum.
--Cheston.
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and perhaps, if we can use another term other than rice. that would be appreciated. i dont know if that's offending anyother Asians on this forum.
--Cheston.
Either that or I'm not getting it... RICE seems to be a deragatory generalization, as if only Asian people trick out their cars?? I've seen all kinds of idiots putting cheap crap on their civics.
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raceBOY,
nice name for an old fart (yer 30? by the way i am 27)
you like to mention the "danger" of CF hoods and how ricers are more often the ones that wreck at track events and that driving is more than going in a straight line...
well here's some news for you... driving means more than just your experience at the track.... maybe some people just like the looks of cars and the opportunity to modify and personalize their cars... and it just so happens alot of them like the racer look...
not everyone is racing around a track at 9/10ths.. in actuality most of these people are gonna drive to work and back home... cruise on the weekends and maybe enjoy a spirited run on the highway or some twisty road...
who cares if they have a CF hood or not... i think you should care more if these people make sure to buckle their seatbelts more than if they have autoclave spun carbon fiber... maybe they prefer style when it comes to a car that takes them from the grocery store to the mall to a party...
and contrary to what you might think... i too enjoy my current car, a twinturbo 300ZX at the auto X and SCCA events... including street/ track schools at Thunderhill raceway, as well as the "occasional" visit to the illegal street races during the summer...
i guess that makes me an immature, unsafe RICER... but at least I am not a pigheaded elitist that only points out the problem but never offers solutions... instead of pointing out rice and telling "kids" how stupid they are... not to mention taking enjoyment in the fact that you place all ricers in the same run group so that they may take each other out cuz its only another ricer and his car lost...
why dont you enlighten and describe your experiences and explain the benefits of the track and whatever else your high and mightiness has learned? I guess its because you expect them to be like you and be born a naturally skilled driver that never needed to learn to drive or never ever went through that phase of life, you know, where you have an attitude and think you know everything... uhh what do you call it... oh yeah its called being young and inexperienced.
i hope everyone just learns to enjoy their Zs in whatever way they choose to... and not how others tell them to
nice name for an old fart (yer 30? by the way i am 27)
you like to mention the "danger" of CF hoods and how ricers are more often the ones that wreck at track events and that driving is more than going in a straight line...
well here's some news for you... driving means more than just your experience at the track.... maybe some people just like the looks of cars and the opportunity to modify and personalize their cars... and it just so happens alot of them like the racer look...
not everyone is racing around a track at 9/10ths.. in actuality most of these people are gonna drive to work and back home... cruise on the weekends and maybe enjoy a spirited run on the highway or some twisty road...
who cares if they have a CF hood or not... i think you should care more if these people make sure to buckle their seatbelts more than if they have autoclave spun carbon fiber... maybe they prefer style when it comes to a car that takes them from the grocery store to the mall to a party...
and contrary to what you might think... i too enjoy my current car, a twinturbo 300ZX at the auto X and SCCA events... including street/ track schools at Thunderhill raceway, as well as the "occasional" visit to the illegal street races during the summer...
i guess that makes me an immature, unsafe RICER... but at least I am not a pigheaded elitist that only points out the problem but never offers solutions... instead of pointing out rice and telling "kids" how stupid they are... not to mention taking enjoyment in the fact that you place all ricers in the same run group so that they may take each other out cuz its only another ricer and his car lost...
why dont you enlighten and describe your experiences and explain the benefits of the track and whatever else your high and mightiness has learned? I guess its because you expect them to be like you and be born a naturally skilled driver that never needed to learn to drive or never ever went through that phase of life, you know, where you have an attitude and think you know everything... uhh what do you call it... oh yeah its called being young and inexperienced.
i hope everyone just learns to enjoy their Zs in whatever way they choose to... and not how others tell them to
what if the dude has a fat wing, but his car can blow the doors off your car? is he still rice if his car can "go" too?
all show and no go is definately bad. but show and go must be worth something.. i admit. my maxima has some long grain on it. but hell. 320+ hp at the crank is pretty good for a 4door. i get the occational "dude your maxima is rice as hell" but then when they hear my BOV.. they go "oh"
and perhaps, if we can use another term other than rice. that would be appreciated. i dont know if that's offending anyother Asians on this forum.
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Originally posted by raceboy
Well, that explains a lot. Instead of simple name calling, why not try to counter the points I made? People have differing opinions. I can't stop people from doing what they want to, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I have never, and I never will understand why people would compromise their safety in the name of style. I also have never, and never will understand why people want to make their cars look like something they are not.
Rice is like stuffing a sock down your pants. When it comes time to deliver, every one is dissapointed.
Well, that explains a lot. Instead of simple name calling, why not try to counter the points I made? People have differing opinions. I can't stop people from doing what they want to, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I have never, and I never will understand why people would compromise their safety in the name of style. I also have never, and never will understand why people want to make their cars look like something they are not.
Rice is like stuffing a sock down your pants. When it comes time to deliver, every one is dissapointed.
And my car is 100% bone stock, so don't consider me your typical "ricer".
I just don't get your attitude. An aftermarket carbon fiber part is "rice", and yet a factory carbon fiber part is not? That's the weakest argument I've ever heard.
My original comment still stands. I don't like your attitude, I think you are close minded and you have an arrogant tone to your posts. Just letting you know how I see it.
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First of all I just have to say that I never meant the word "rice" in any kind of direspect to Asian people. There are white ricers, black ricers, Mexican ricers, etc.
I am also sorry if I came off a bit elitist, but my frustration really comes from trying to help people that don't want to be helped. Why do people who have no problem spending $3000 on a bodykit have trouble spending a few $$ to upgrade the most important part of all; the nut behind the wheel. My suggestion; go to a good driving school. You will learn more in one day at a driving school than you will 20 years of canyon carving or illegal street racing and you just might learn something that saves your life one day. Or come to a track day. I will be more than happy to help out anyone that wants it and I hope to meet a lot of you guys there.
If you want to customize your car that's great. Some people put tattoos on their face, good for them. I have no right to stop those people either, but if my friend all of the sudden wanted to put a tat on his face, I would surely recommend against it. I always wonder about people that so desperately need to draw attention to themselves. What did their parents do to them as kids?
As far as illegal street racing goes; if you do it, you are an idiot. If you think there is an arguement against that point, you are an even bigger idiot.
Oh well, I know I'll never change anyone's mind on this one. This is all opinion and you know what they say about opinions; "Opinions are like ********, every one has one, and everyone thinks every one else's stinks!" So enjoy your Z the way you want to.
I am also sorry if I came off a bit elitist, but my frustration really comes from trying to help people that don't want to be helped. Why do people who have no problem spending $3000 on a bodykit have trouble spending a few $$ to upgrade the most important part of all; the nut behind the wheel. My suggestion; go to a good driving school. You will learn more in one day at a driving school than you will 20 years of canyon carving or illegal street racing and you just might learn something that saves your life one day. Or come to a track day. I will be more than happy to help out anyone that wants it and I hope to meet a lot of you guys there.
If you want to customize your car that's great. Some people put tattoos on their face, good for them. I have no right to stop those people either, but if my friend all of the sudden wanted to put a tat on his face, I would surely recommend against it. I always wonder about people that so desperately need to draw attention to themselves. What did their parents do to them as kids?
As far as illegal street racing goes; if you do it, you are an idiot. If you think there is an arguement against that point, you are an even bigger idiot.
Oh well, I know I'll never change anyone's mind on this one. This is all opinion and you know what they say about opinions; "Opinions are like ********, every one has one, and everyone thinks every one else's stinks!" So enjoy your Z the way you want to.
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Originally posted by DunReit
This is something I have never been able to explain. FWD cars never need enough downforce to require wings... But on the contrary, the WC Touring cars use it... it's still a big mystery, but I figure it's so they can get TV ratings...
This is something I have never been able to explain. FWD cars never need enough downforce to require wings... But on the contrary, the WC Touring cars use it... it's still a big mystery, but I figure it's so they can get TV ratings...
So those wings you see on Touring Cars are 100% fully functional, even if the car itself is FWD.
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S2KRob, have you ever driven a front wheel drive car fast?? Pretty much the opposite of everything you said is how a front wheel drive car really behaves. Look at the RealTime racing Integras that race in the Speedvision World Challenge; small stock ITR wing. Now look at the Beemers that run in that series, huge rear wing. The Integras only run the stock ITR wing and it's there not to provide downforce, but to cancel lift (the only thing you were right about so I thought I would give you credit) and lower the coefficient of drag making the car slicker.
A FWD car has it's mass, and therefor it's weight bias, located mainly at the front of the car. In highspeed corners the centrifugal force is acting much more on the heavily laden front, than the lightly laden back (forward polar moment of inertia). You are also asking the front tires to put the power down and steer the car. This totally overworks the front tires and makes for an understeering car. The rear tires are basically along for the ride. Putting on a downforce creating wing will just make things worse.
A FWD car has it's mass, and therefor it's weight bias, located mainly at the front of the car. In highspeed corners the centrifugal force is acting much more on the heavily laden front, than the lightly laden back (forward polar moment of inertia). You are also asking the front tires to put the power down and steer the car. This totally overworks the front tires and makes for an understeering car. The rear tires are basically along for the ride. Putting on a downforce creating wing will just make things worse.
The only reason they use the wings in the Touring series is to make the cars compete on teh same level... for instance, the Realtime ITRs used 15" TE37s initially, but were destroying the competition... so they require that everyone use 17" rims now...
and perhaps, if we can use another term other than rice. that would be appreciated. i dont know if that's offending anyother Asians on this forum.
I've never known one Asian to find that racist... You're searching for excuses here. Who originally coined the term anyways? Do some research, and I'm certain you'll find the results not in your favor. Also, have you noticed that even American and Euro cars are called rice as well?
and i find that racist....(im not gonna go shoot nobody, but its still racist)
and my vote still stands I LIKE CF HOODS!
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Raceboy-
So, you're a well-to-do guy who has the means to do frequent track days. That's great. I wish I could, but alas, I'm still paying student loans and car payments and house payments, and dropping $200-$300 every couple of weekends (not to mention owning a dedicated racecar) isn't in the cards at this time. So I do the next best thing, I autocross, which usually sets me back no more than $25. And I enjoy it, okay? Just because I can't afford your pasttime doesn't make me a poser. Would it make sense if Michael Andretti popped in here and called you a race poser just because you aren't a pro CART driver? Most of us who are into motorsports are involved to the level we can be and still be financially resonsible adults. And that includes you. And me. When I can afford wheel-to-wheel, I'll do it. Until then, Solo2 it is.
Next point. Other folks have already commented on the 'kids being kids' thing. All I have to add is: it's wonderful that you're so well-adjusted, but some kids out there got ignored or downright mistreated in childhood. Maybe they're compensating with big tacky IRL wings to try to score a little attention now. That sure beats the hell out of sticking up convenience stores, yes? So let's not go being snooty without walking a mile in their Vans.
Just my .02.
So, you're a well-to-do guy who has the means to do frequent track days. That's great. I wish I could, but alas, I'm still paying student loans and car payments and house payments, and dropping $200-$300 every couple of weekends (not to mention owning a dedicated racecar) isn't in the cards at this time. So I do the next best thing, I autocross, which usually sets me back no more than $25. And I enjoy it, okay? Just because I can't afford your pasttime doesn't make me a poser. Would it make sense if Michael Andretti popped in here and called you a race poser just because you aren't a pro CART driver? Most of us who are into motorsports are involved to the level we can be and still be financially resonsible adults. And that includes you. And me. When I can afford wheel-to-wheel, I'll do it. Until then, Solo2 it is.
Next point. Other folks have already commented on the 'kids being kids' thing. All I have to add is: it's wonderful that you're so well-adjusted, but some kids out there got ignored or downright mistreated in childhood. Maybe they're compensating with big tacky IRL wings to try to score a little attention now. That sure beats the hell out of sticking up convenience stores, yes? So let's not go being snooty without walking a mile in their Vans.
Just my .02.
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Originally posted by raceboy
S2KRob, have you ever driven a front wheel drive car fast?? Pretty much the opposite of everything you said is how a front wheel drive car really behaves. Look at the RealTime racing Integras that race in the Speedvision World Challenge; small stock ITR wing. Now look at the Beemers that run in that series, huge rear wing. The Integras only run the stock ITR wing and it's there not to provide downforce, but to cancel lift (the only thing you were right about so I thought I would give you credit) and lower the coefficient of drag making the car slicker.
A FWD car has it's mass, and therefor it's weight bias, located mainly at the front of the car. In highspeed corners the centrifugal force is acting much more on the heavily laden front, than the lightly laden back (forward polar moment of inertia). You are also asking the front tires to put the power down and steer the car. This totally overworks the front tires and makes for an understeering car. The rear tires are basically along for the ride. Putting on a downforce creating wing will just make things worse.
S2KRob, have you ever driven a front wheel drive car fast?? Pretty much the opposite of everything you said is how a front wheel drive car really behaves. Look at the RealTime racing Integras that race in the Speedvision World Challenge; small stock ITR wing. Now look at the Beemers that run in that series, huge rear wing. The Integras only run the stock ITR wing and it's there not to provide downforce, but to cancel lift (the only thing you were right about so I thought I would give you credit) and lower the coefficient of drag making the car slicker.
A FWD car has it's mass, and therefor it's weight bias, located mainly at the front of the car. In highspeed corners the centrifugal force is acting much more on the heavily laden front, than the lightly laden back (forward polar moment of inertia). You are also asking the front tires to put the power down and steer the car. This totally overworks the front tires and makes for an understeering car. The rear tires are basically along for the ride. Putting on a downforce creating wing will just make things worse.
Those ITR's, like the BTCC cars run huge rear sway bars to quell understeer, like you mentioned. But running that much rear roll stiffness means that the back is really loose on that car. They just get tapped in a corner and the rear comes flying out.
So, running more rear wing will add stability to the car through the high speed corners, helping to keep that loose rear in line with what the front of the car is doing.
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I'm Chinese and i DO find it offensive thank you.
its like using the term "Gyp" .. example: 'I got gypped last nite"
you know where that term comes from? its from when Gypsies had open markets and sold goods and sometimed cheated some people out of money.. yea you say it now and dont think anything about it. but it IS a deragatory term.
So yea. you know ONE asian that finds it racist now.
nice to met you,
Cheston Chiu.
its like using the term "Gyp" .. example: 'I got gypped last nite"
you know where that term comes from? its from when Gypsies had open markets and sold goods and sometimed cheated some people out of money.. yea you say it now and dont think anything about it. but it IS a deragatory term.
So yea. you know ONE asian that finds it racist now.
nice to met you,
Cheston Chiu.
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I've never known one Asian to find that racist... You're searching for excuses here. Who originally coined the term anyways? Do some research, and I'm certain you'll find the results not in your favor. Also, have you noticed that even American and Euro cars are called rice as well?
I've never known one Asian to find that racist... You're searching for excuses here. Who originally coined the term anyways? Do some research, and I'm certain you'll find the results not in your favor. Also, have you noticed that even American and Euro cars are called rice as well?
You want Touring Cars? Here are the photos I took from the Grand Prix in DC last month...
http://www.944cup.com/other/Lemans/
http://www.944cup.com/other/Lemans/
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