What are you talking about? I never mentioned my Viper until hartsickdisipe made his comment regarding a Z would seem slow if you drove a Z06 all day. I never compared the Z to the Viper.

 

You went so far as to say that a 350z is "slow." Not slow compared to something else (which is the only valid way to label something fast or slow BTW), you just called it slow. I'll admit that it's slow compared to a 2000 Viper, but let's keep things in perspective here. Just because there are faster cars on the road doesn't make it slow, and doesn't change the fact that a 300hp RWD sports car is way too much for 1st-time drivers. Even my 2005 base model was capable of going sideways on stock tires if shifted hard into 2nd gear. That's enough to be a danger to an inexperienced driver.

 

Ya I know, but let's be real here. Your opinion about the Z is going to be different than that of a teenager driving for the first time.

You don't agree that 300hp for a first time driver is too much?

 

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It doesn't need to be compared to anything. It was a generalization about the car. The Z is only making somewhere in the area of 250hp at the wheel. I'm done arguing this. I don't think that this kind of power is anything too much for a first time driver. As I've already said, it's about the mindset one has towards driving. As long as someone is responsible (which this kid obviously was not), 300bhp isn't anything to worry about for a first time driver. And who ever said that this kid who crashed was a first time driver? For all we know he could have been driving for a while.

EDIT: not fast enough. was in response to hartsickdiscipl, however, upon reading your comment bill, I suppose this could also be a response to you as well.

I do agree with you bill though that my opinion regarding the Z is going to be different than that of a teenager.

 

You say the 350z is slow, I say it's fast. With no basis for comparison, what makes you any more right than me? Hell, the 350z is ultra mega fast, and my reasoning for thinking it's ultra mega fast is just because.

You've heard of the word subjective, correct?

That's exactly what I was thinking. Seems like he was hoping someone would take the bait so he could casually weave his viper into the conversation.

 

So if it's your child do you assume they are going to be responsible when you are not around. I'm sure there have been mant kids that killed themselves in a fast car that were straight A students and were not troublemakers. Peer pressure is very strong and the need to show off is also. What happens if a kid like this gets pressured into street racing and due to the fact that he is responsible has no experience with handling that 300hp.

What would you say too much hp is for an inexperienced driver? Your Viper. I had a S2000 with 240hp and would not dare want to put in the hands of a kid starting out driving. Thats less hp and will outhandle a Z. I'm glad my parents chose not to.



Thats what I was thinking also. Now I know you have a Viper(bows down worshiping at your feet). Sorry, but anyone who drives a Viper on a daily basis will consider a stock Z slow. If I were to get into a stock Z after driving my turbo Z I would probably see it as slow, too.

 

Thanks for the kind words. I hope you were talking mostly about me

Where have I been hypocritical. I have never driven through a residential neighborhood where children could be out playing in or anyone could be backing out of their driveway acting like a fool. On an open highway at 4 in the morning headed home from work I do play some. Both are against the law and I understand that and will accept the consequences if caught. The risk are completely different, though. I'm playing with my own life, not others.

Very good question. I don not have any children, but I am comfortable in saying that if I were in those shoes that I would post the story on as many performance car forums as I could find. I would post long enough to know that they had the story straight and leave. Mostly for the adults that are would be buyer of a performance car for their child. There is no way that a story like this could not make a parent think twice.

As to your question, no it wouldn't bother me as their agenda would also be mine.

 

Not for someone that has only driving a self powered vehicle before.

 

Well put. Reading his posts just showed that his opinion is biased as much as anyone else's. He just won't admit it and refuses to accept another person's opinion.

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"Wael Moudjed" ???????????

sounds like Jihad to me!

 

I suppose it's all subjective. To me, 300hp isn't that much. High 13s in the quarter mile isn't that fast.

You can think it all you want, but you'll be wrong.

If I had a kid, I wouldn't hesitate to buy him a Z as long as I noticed certain things about him and the way he conducts himself and who he associates with. If he plays video games like The Need for Speed or any other of the racing games, loved Paul Walker films, and hung out with people who I didn't get a good vibe from, then no, a Z or this or that is out of the question. But if the kid doesn't fall into any of the above, is a good kid, doesn't get into trouble, and is just generally well-behaved then I see no reason why it'd be a bad decision to allow him to drive a 350Z.

Wut?

 

I’m assuming the different levels of expressed compassion here have a lot to do with age, and financial advantage.

I think those of us that have had to work hard to obtain in a responsible fashion a performance car for ourselves will be less inclined to feel sympathy for a teenager who has appeared to have had this provided to them. So I could understand how sympathy could be dominated by some level of resentment.

And I think those of us who may be older, and are at a point in life where we can reflect on the stupid acts and decisions we made, and have been so fortunate to not have paid a steep price (or watch someone else pay the price), see this as a truly unfortunate accident. Knowing that someone takes their own life through a foolish act at such a young age is difficult to accept, because through that same reflection we know that there is so much more to experience and enjoy in life.

Even though this person suffered the consequences of their own irresponsibility (and perhaps their parents) it is tragic because (regardless of advantage) there really is no good reason why this kid should have lost this life.

 

Going from a bicycle to a car.

 

Lol no offense, but either you don't own a viper, or you're just not in the right mind to call a Z slow. I know racecar drivers, and even they are not that dumb to compare a Race car to a street sports car. A Z is one of fastest STREET sports car in its class. So its, it IS fast. I mean, you're just saying stuff to show off how you think 13secs is "slow", but you're just showing how immature you're acting... I mean honestly, what you're trying to achieve?

 

I'm not trying to achieve anything. Last time I checked, this was a forum where people post what they think.

 

sad. i had a brand new WRX when i was 16 and had my fair share of close calls but never wrecked it. This could happen to a kid with a 150hp car...

 

Honestly regardless if he was 17 or not, I don't undestand why people say he deserved to die. What the hell did a 17 year old do to die? If you died in a fatal car crash doing something stupid, regardless of age, did you deserve to die?

Think about it before you go around saying people deserve to die n sh** acting like you have the right to judge people.

 

You guys talking that line of **** "if I had a kid..." are full of it. When you do have a kid your life completely changes so quit with your BS about "if I had a kid..." You have no clue what you're talking about.

 

+1k!

 

I couldn't agree more. Some of you (not all) are f u cking a$$h0les. No way in hell you could say to the kids' parents that he deserved this as they're mourning over their son's death. Too many a$$holes acting tough on the internet...It's someone's life we're talking about. Have a heart.