99 vette vs 350z?
For the last time stock auto vetts run closer to 12.9/13.1 stock.
OP has done nothing to shave off a second from his previous times.
He does not represent an HR running 12.99 @103
Go find another way home pizza boy!
Last edited by 4SHIZZIL; Nov 26, 2011 at 03:14 AM.
Honestly, if the OP is a good driver, it should be a decently close race. In a quarter mile it will probably be a car length or so. He'd have a better chance if the vette was an auto, then maybe the other driver would ruin his own time... no such luck.
So hopefully you know who carol shelby is...
Hp doesn't mean **** in a race. Take a 600hp civic with 300ftlbs of tq and race it with a 500hp/500tq vette and see who wins. The vette would OWN that civic like nobody's business even with it lacking hp and the weight.
Whoever has the most and the soonest tq will win.
And yet Shelby spent his life coughing out undrivable and unpalatable cars. Take for example the Shelby Mustang, a heavy as a brick over-torqued car with no handling. Or the Viper, with no LSD but oodles of power. Now the Viper ACS/ACR did become a good racing car with heavy modifications, but that is another story.
"torque wins races, horsepower sells cars" -Carol Shelby
So hopefully you know who carol shelby is...
Hp doesn't mean **** in a race. Take a 600hp civic with 300ftlbs of tq and race it with a 500hp/500tq vette and see who wins. The vette would OWN that civic like nobody's business even with it lacking hp and the weight.
Whoever has the most and the soonest tq will win.
So hopefully you know who carol shelby is...
Hp doesn't mean **** in a race. Take a 600hp civic with 300ftlbs of tq and race it with a 500hp/500tq vette and see who wins. The vette would OWN that civic like nobody's business even with it lacking hp and the weight.
Whoever has the most and the soonest tq will win.
Think about it this way. The honda S2000 AP2 has 164 tq, and 240 hp. Stock to Stock, s2000 has NO problem keeping up with our DE 350z's, which has 274 ftlbs of tq and 287 hp. (There are recorded drag races proving this.)
The 350Z max tq comes in around 4000 rpm (est.) and the S2000 max tq comes in around 6-7000 (est.) If what you are saying is correct, ("higher tq value will always win/whoever has the most and the soonest tq will win"), 350z should be able to beat the s2000 in a heartbeat with 60% more tq, that sets in 2000 rpm earlier... But sadly, that's just not the reality.
You can say "WEIGHT" but once the race start off in a roll, weight has very little effect since it will come down to the engine's ability to push the car with momentum already behind it, which S2000 excels in even with the lower tq/hp value.
What people have to realize is, that "PEAK" tq and hp value doesn't tell anything about how the car actually drives. It will only carry the car so far until other things set in... there are too many variable within a car to accurately describe which car will win with imaginary tq/hp figure.
Meeehhhh... I might have to disagree with that... Civic with 600 hp would probably smoke 500hp vette in a track situation for sure, assuming it has similar grip... drag race might make a bit of a difference, but not too sure about that either... Higher hp figure with low tq usually but not always means it has very high revving engine. This enables the car to carry its momentum further into the corner, into the gear and able to be on the throttle faster than tq monsters. That's why japanese cars do so much better on track than American muscle which has 500000 tq between 3000-3500 rpm, and you have to shift (Exaggerated ofcourse). This also applies same for the drag also. Car that has steady, strong push all the way up to 10000 rpm will do significantly better than car that has monsterous tq to 4000 rpm and have to grab the next gear... the powerband makes a great difference in a race, since you can only be on the recorded "top tq" number for only set period of time. Sometimes when you average out the tq figure you were on, there are times the car with lower PEAK torque will have higher average torque used in a pull than a car with higher tq figure.
Think about it this way. The honda S2000 AP2 has 164 tq, and 240 hp. Stock to Stock, s2000 has NO problem keeping up with our DE 350z's, which has 274 ftlbs of tq and 287 hp. (There are recorded drag races proving this.)
The 350Z max tq comes in around 4000 rpm (est.) and the S2000 max tq comes in around 6-7000 (est.) If what you are saying is correct, ("higher tq value will always win/whoever has the most and the soonest tq will win"), 350z should be able to beat the s2000 in a heartbeat with 60% more tq, that sets in 2000 rpm earlier... But sadly, that's just not the reality.
You can say "WEIGHT" but once the race start off in a roll, weight has very little effect since it will come down to the engine's ability to push the car with momentum already behind it, which S2000 excels in even with the lower tq/hp value.
What people have to realize is, that "PEAK" tq and hp value doesn't tell anything about how the car actually drives. It will only carry the car so far until other things set in... there are too many variable within a car to accurately describe which car will win with imaginary tq/hp figure.
Think about it this way. The honda S2000 AP2 has 164 tq, and 240 hp. Stock to Stock, s2000 has NO problem keeping up with our DE 350z's, which has 274 ftlbs of tq and 287 hp. (There are recorded drag races proving this.)
The 350Z max tq comes in around 4000 rpm (est.) and the S2000 max tq comes in around 6-7000 (est.) If what you are saying is correct, ("higher tq value will always win/whoever has the most and the soonest tq will win"), 350z should be able to beat the s2000 in a heartbeat with 60% more tq, that sets in 2000 rpm earlier... But sadly, that's just not the reality.
You can say "WEIGHT" but once the race start off in a roll, weight has very little effect since it will come down to the engine's ability to push the car with momentum already behind it, which S2000 excels in even with the lower tq/hp value.
What people have to realize is, that "PEAK" tq and hp value doesn't tell anything about how the car actually drives. It will only carry the car so far until other things set in... there are too many variable within a car to accurately describe which car will win with imaginary tq/hp figure.
Personally I think on a good run the Z would hang within a car length to a 100.
This actually turned into a really good thread overall.
Update is :we are going to the track to see whoever gets the better time
So i will post time slips whenever we do this.
And hopefully my driver mod will have improved.
Update is :we are going to the track to see whoever gets the better time
So i will post time slips whenever we do this.
And hopefully my driver mod will have improved.








