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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 01:58 PM
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any updates yet OP???
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Old Nov 26, 2011 | 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ronn1
WTF does TQ have to do with it? It's all about *time to distance* in a race. We know that car does the ave QTR in low 13s...and so does a bolted and tuned Z. If this is a QTR mi race (as it should be)..then that's all you need to know.
If you have to ask...... Im not Explaining.


For the last time stock auto vetts run closer to 12.9/13.1 stock.

OP has done nothing to shave off a second from his previous times.
He does not represent an HR running 12.99 @103

Go find another way home pizza boy!

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Old Nov 26, 2011 | 10:48 AM
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ill send you one of my go pros to record it....
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Old Nov 28, 2011 | 10:09 PM
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I was thinking about getting into bench racing. What tires do you recommend?
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Old Nov 28, 2011 | 11:51 PM
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Just overnight some parts from Japan, you will be GTG.



Seriously, it will be a drivers race. The Vette should beat you , it will all come down to the launch.
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 03:38 AM
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so who won?
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 06:31 AM
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 11:15 AM
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well now that we see the vett driver, curb weight is not an issue

you can win!

Visualize the Win man, Visualize!

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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 07:32 PM
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If you took all 4 wheels off your Z, Vette will lose its 100lbs advantage!
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 10:26 AM
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Honestly, if the OP is a good driver, it should be a decently close race. In a quarter mile it will probably be a car length or so. He'd have a better chance if the vette was an auto, then maybe the other driver would ruin his own time... no such luck.
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Modrummer
Honestly, if the OP is a good driver, it should be a decently close race. In a quarter mile it will probably be a car length or so. He'd have a better chance if the vette was an auto, then maybe the other driver would ruin his own time... no such luck.
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 11:19 AM
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your going to lose, sorry man
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ronn1
WTF does TQ have to do with it? It's all about *time to distance* in a race. We know that car does the ave QTR in low 13s...and so does a bolted and tuned Z. If this is a QTR mi race (as it should be)..then that's all you need to know.
"torque wins races, horsepower sells cars" -Carol Shelby

So hopefully you know who carol shelby is...

Hp doesn't mean **** in a race. Take a 600hp civic with 300ftlbs of tq and race it with a 500hp/500tq vette and see who wins. The vette would OWN that civic like nobody's business even with it lacking hp and the weight.

Whoever has the most and the soonest tq will win.
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 12:05 PM
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And yet Shelby spent his life coughing out undrivable and unpalatable cars. Take for example the Shelby Mustang, a heavy as a brick over-torqued car with no handling. Or the Viper, with no LSD but oodles of power. Now the Viper ACS/ACR did become a good racing car with heavy modifications, but that is another story.
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by binder
"torque wins races, horsepower sells cars" -Carol Shelby

So hopefully you know who carol shelby is...

Hp doesn't mean **** in a race. Take a 600hp civic with 300ftlbs of tq and race it with a 500hp/500tq vette and see who wins. The vette would OWN that civic like nobody's business even with it lacking hp and the weight.

Whoever has the most and the soonest tq will win.
Meeehhhh... I might have to disagree with that... Civic with 600 hp would probably smoke 500hp vette in a track situation for sure, assuming it has similar grip... drag race might make a bit of a difference, but not too sure about that either... Higher hp figure with low tq usually but not always means it has very high revving engine. This enables the car to carry its momentum further into the corner, into the gear and able to be on the throttle faster than tq monsters. That's why japanese cars do so much better on track than American muscle which has 500000 tq between 3000-3500 rpm, and you have to shift (Exaggerated ofcourse). This also applies same for the drag also. Car that has steady, strong push all the way up to 10000 rpm will do significantly better than car that has monsterous tq to 4000 rpm and have to grab the next gear... the powerband makes a great difference in a race, since you can only be on the recorded "top tq" number for only set period of time. Sometimes when you average out the tq figure you were on, there are times the car with lower PEAK torque will have higher average torque used in a pull than a car with higher tq figure.

Think about it this way. The honda S2000 AP2 has 164 tq, and 240 hp. Stock to Stock, s2000 has NO problem keeping up with our DE 350z's, which has 274 ftlbs of tq and 287 hp. (There are recorded drag races proving this.)
The 350Z max tq comes in around 4000 rpm (est.) and the S2000 max tq comes in around 6-7000 (est.) If what you are saying is correct, ("higher tq value will always win/whoever has the most and the soonest tq will win"), 350z should be able to beat the s2000 in a heartbeat with 60% more tq, that sets in 2000 rpm earlier... But sadly, that's just not the reality.
You can say "WEIGHT" but once the race start off in a roll, weight has very little effect since it will come down to the engine's ability to push the car with momentum already behind it, which S2000 excels in even with the lower tq/hp value.

What people have to realize is, that "PEAK" tq and hp value doesn't tell anything about how the car actually drives. It will only carry the car so far until other things set in... there are too many variable within a car to accurately describe which car will win with imaginary tq/hp figure.
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 03:49 PM
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Aaron z is a homo!
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TheWan
Meeehhhh... I might have to disagree with that... Civic with 600 hp would probably smoke 500hp vette in a track situation for sure, assuming it has similar grip... drag race might make a bit of a difference, but not too sure about that either... Higher hp figure with low tq usually but not always means it has very high revving engine. This enables the car to carry its momentum further into the corner, into the gear and able to be on the throttle faster than tq monsters. That's why japanese cars do so much better on track than American muscle which has 500000 tq between 3000-3500 rpm, and you have to shift (Exaggerated ofcourse). This also applies same for the drag also. Car that has steady, strong push all the way up to 10000 rpm will do significantly better than car that has monsterous tq to 4000 rpm and have to grab the next gear... the powerband makes a great difference in a race, since you can only be on the recorded "top tq" number for only set period of time. Sometimes when you average out the tq figure you were on, there are times the car with lower PEAK torque will have higher average torque used in a pull than a car with higher tq figure.

Think about it this way. The honda S2000 AP2 has 164 tq, and 240 hp. Stock to Stock, s2000 has NO problem keeping up with our DE 350z's, which has 274 ftlbs of tq and 287 hp. (There are recorded drag races proving this.)
The 350Z max tq comes in around 4000 rpm (est.) and the S2000 max tq comes in around 6-7000 (est.) If what you are saying is correct, ("higher tq value will always win/whoever has the most and the soonest tq will win"), 350z should be able to beat the s2000 in a heartbeat with 60% more tq, that sets in 2000 rpm earlier... But sadly, that's just not the reality.
You can say "WEIGHT" but once the race start off in a roll, weight has very little effect since it will come down to the engine's ability to push the car with momentum already behind it, which S2000 excels in even with the lower tq/hp value.

What people have to realize is, that "PEAK" tq and hp value doesn't tell anything about how the car actually drives. It will only carry the car so far until other things set in... there are too many variable within a car to accurately describe which car will win with imaginary tq/hp figure.
That was well thought out but there are so many factors your not even considering. Gear ratio will seriously affect the performance of any car. I just looked up some 99 Vette 345hp LS1 stats and an auto was 5.2-5.5 0-60. My wifes Pontiac G8 GT weighs 400+ lbs more and has 40 more Hp than the Vette but puts down a 5.0 0-60. The auto Vette is a 4 speed so its geared tall and not nearly as quick as the manual Vettes.

Personally I think on a good run the Z would hang within a car length to a 100.
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 04:24 PM
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Dont bet money. Here is where I got killed.
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 04:35 PM
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jeez..yall gona race r whistle dixie?? just do it and best out of 3 takes the other's wifey home...
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 05:26 PM
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This actually turned into a really good thread overall.

Update is :we are going to the track to see whoever gets the better time

So i will post time slips whenever we do this.

And hopefully my driver mod will have improved.
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