Iceman3K15

M3owner - couldn't have said it better.

Iceman3K15

You're right, I have seen a Supra TT hit a 13.4 stock, but I have also watched more than one hit 14.0's stock. Down here in the south its hard to get good times in this heat! Plus a lot of people find it easier to launch the AT's than the MT's. The ones I saw get 14.0's were both MT's.

MythralZ

ok, yeah the ls1 is faster. but there are about 15,000 of em vs. only 250 1999 vr-4's. i herd of a guy seein one in the showroom floor, and he traded his corvette convertible for it. now thats awesome.

Joey

ZeeeYa

OK, First of all, lets get the facts straight. The LS1 makes 350HP and 375 ft/lbs in it's intended platform.

You didn't mention the M3's 262 ft/lbs of torque. Not very impressive (at least compared to an American V8). You also didn't mention that you have to rev the **** out of the engine to hit that HP peak (7900rpm). And the difference is even greater if you compare to the LS6: 405HP 400 ft/lbs.

Here's another example for you of a foreign car for you: Volkswagon Passat W8. So here's a German automaker with 8 cylinders to work with! The power must be unbelievable! Well, not really: 270HP 273 ft/lbs. That's pretty pathetic for an 8 if you ask me. So at the very least Volkswagon can't do any better than the American companies with 8 cylinders, and I bet Nissan, Honda and Toyota can't either.

MythralZ

then explain why that guy took his 345hp w/ 385ft lbs of torque corvette and traded it on a vr-4? huh? yeah thats rite. he'll loose a little bit of stock speed for somethin that awesome and rare
(1 of 250). That trans am or vette dont have the turn head factor anymore either. but the supra tt and vr-4, with comprable performance, will alwase have that. i mean ****, look at the new cobra. what sets it apart form other mustangs besides its hp? american cars all look the same , they are as unique as a McDonald's. thats a good synonym for american cars, McDonalds....fast, cheep and easy to get.


Joey

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I can't wait to see you get spanked by an Avant, especially if it's me with my dog in the back.

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Iceman3K15

Ok smart guy, first of all. I don't care if its the intended platform or not. The fact is, on a Trans Am (non ram air) the LS1 5.7 V8 is only putting out 305hp PERIOD The M3 puts out 333hp with its 3.2 I6.

Hmm lets see, last I looked the M3 with its 262 ft/lbs of torque and having to "rev the **** out of the engine" was running the 1/4 mile in 13.3 seconds. While you have your Trans Am with its 335 ft/lbs or more running the 1/4 in a 13.4. Sounds pretty pathetic to have that much more torque and still can just barely compete with it

NEXT....so you want to pick on the WORST foreign car you can find huh? Well lets play, I'll pick on the WORST american car I can find, MUCH more pathetic as usual. We can call on the V8 in the old Thunderbird. Am american V8 the power muste be unbelievable! Well, its sad really. 205 hp ...... Um, yeah....and last I looked the new mustang GT's with their 4.6 V8's they have 260hp, which is also less than the Volkswagon above. You get my point.

Amercian V8's are nice and all, most american engines are pretty damn good. Its not the engine thats the main flaw with american cars. Its the rest of the car. The quality, relaibility, smoothness and the feeling like you are not one with the car (as mentioned above) are the main problems......

PS - the new V8 Toyota will put in the new top of the line sports car they have on the way will surprise you.

MythralZ

McLaren>Italian>German>Japanese>American>Brittish...haha

funny how the brittish either top everyone, or fall flat on their face!!!!!!

p.s. TVR doesnt fall flat on their face, they just kinda go in the middle of that list

Iceman3K15

Vette's would stay king of the hill, even if the HP numbers are close. They are almost 300 pounds lighter, have IRS instead of a solid rear end, and a better intake. Ok, so the Trans Am makes 350hp to the crank. That makes it even worse that it can only just hang with the M3.

ZeeeYa

Still, you're comparing the best 6 cylinder (or 8, what? can't they make one? They choose to be slower?) the Germans can muster against a good, but not the best V8 America has produced.


Not the worst, the only Foreign 8 I could think of... Name a better one and we'll compare.


This sounds like a concession of defeat? Changing the subject? Looking for more unrelated topics to support your case? The original argument was that a foreign company would make a much better V8 than the American car makers. Stick to it, or I'll mention the price difference between your two similarly performing cars...M3 vs Trans Am... Ah what the hell, I'll mention it anyway: $20,000!


I bet they can't out perform the Z06 and cost less, though!

Iceman3K15

Foreign cars will always cost more because of the cost of importing them. If you lived overseas a Trans Am would cost more to buy than it does if you bought one here. Plus, you get what you pay for. Engine's aside, because they both have good engines, an M3 is more technologically advanced than the TA ever thought about being. Also, because it is more expensive, you get the plus of driving something that is a little more exclusive....something that you don't see around every corner. Exclusivity is worth the price to some.

Once again, import fees and exclusivity. Although, that Z06 is one PIMP car. I would love to own a Z06 and something like a M3 or M5. Tako is so lucky!