Not sure what this means for people waiting on the west coast, but it certainly doesn't sound encouraging.

 

Not to give myself an unearned bump, but don't you guys on the left coast find this a little unsettling? (Especially those of you who are expecting a Z car to come floating up in a boat in the next few weeks???)

 

Even Dealers from the east coast get there cars from Los Angeles. My Performance 350Z delivered 9/11/02 came from Port of Los Angeles. I live in Louisiana.

 

Cars on the East coast get dropped off at Jacksonville, Savannah, Newport News, Newark, and Baltimore. Not sure where Louisiana gets their cars from, but most of the east coast is served from one of those five ports.

BTW, I dig your avatar. What kind of cat is that? Abby?

 

Yes this is my cat and she is indeed an Abby! I too thought my car would come from Jacksonville , Fla but port of delivery was listed as Los Angeles on my window sticker. I guess a car can be delivered at any port and trucked to the dealer.

 

VERY cool cat. I'd like to get one some day, too.

I heard stories that cars were being delivered to points east via train, and then trailer. Your case is one of the first which backs up this theory.

 

And to think my car is probably sitting in Port L.A. as we speak

I'm about ready to explode

 

After reading this, I'm absolutely stunned that there's even a dispute at all.

Look at those payroll numbers!!! What the hell are these guys balking at? In this day and age where people are losing their jobs left and right, these guys should really just grow up and sign on the dotted line.

This nonsense will end up hurting thousands of people indirectly. I hope the union is happy.

 

As I've said in other posts... this is what unions do to the economy... they **** it up. So next time remember who you vote for and whether they align themselves with the American Communist part.. *cough cough* I mean the AFL/CIO.

Anyone here have a background in economics? You know what I mean then. I suggest that people educate themselve on the impact that labor unions have on the consumer market. How about one example, tariffs alone (lobbied for by labor unions) for the steel industry cost the American consumer $700,000 just to save one average steel workers job. Same goes for the damn multi-fiber agreement for the textiles industry.

The evolution of an economy begins with a argicultural society, then moves to an industrial economy, then to a commercial economy. Fact is that the American industry is nearly dead, and we need to let it go. However, we will always need a service industry, which is what these longshoreman supply us. Regardless, these labor unions still breed inefficiency, through means of tangible consolidation, spread the cost over the consumer market and taxpayer.

My solution, **** them. Fire them all. Give them the option to come back to work without a union alliance, and hire some cheap foreign labor. Problem solved. If these longshoreman still want their job, then they'll come back.

 

Good news?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2002Oct7.html

Bush Intervenes in Port Lockout


By Scott Lindlaw
Associated Press Writer
Monday, October 7, 2002; 11:15 AM

WASHINGTON –– Hours after talks broke down between West Coast port workers and shipping lines, President Bush took a first step toward ordering longshoremen back onto the job Monday. Bush formed a board of inquiry to determine the impact of a dispute draining up to $2 billion a day from the U.S. economy.
The board will make a quick assessment of the economic damage and determine whether the two sides are negotiating in good faith. Its formation was required before the president can order an 80-day cooling-off period that would force longshoremen back to work. Bush has not decided whether to take that step, said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer.

Bush signed an executive order stating that "continuation of this lockout will imperil the national health and safety" and forming the panel, which must report back to the administration by Tuesday.

"Clearly, the longer this goes on, the longer the parties are incapable of reaching an agreement between themselves, the more damage it's doing to America's economy and hurting people who are wholly unrelated to events on the West Coast because they work down the assembly line, they're down the production line or the shipment line, and that's not fair," Fleischer said.

 

I too was shocked at how much dockworkers make!!! Damn, let me do that job and I'll never complain. I probably wont ask for a raise ever. How hard could that job be??? I can see it physically demanding, but mentally I dont know. Go tell those dockworkers to work in academia for pennies. That'll give them something to cry about.

 

$114K average pay? $40K a year pension and 100% health coverage?

Thats as bad as the baseball umps going on strike. I say fire the whole lot and put a bunch of trained monkeys on the craines. It's not as if they are flying a jumbo jet or anything difficult. I'd bet my bottom dollar they are for the most part high school educated.

I saw on the Amazing Race the contestents had to opperate one of those craines, two minutes training and a hard hat was all it took.




Now get back to work and get pat his car

 

Thanks RAI....I found out Friday that my car made it out of the port and onto a truck before the lockout. I should have it today or tomorrow according to the dealer

 

audio pat
what is your Vin #, I am curious if my car also made it out? According to my dealer its supposed to be here this week --Yeah right

 

VIN is in the 2300's but you can't go by that. Last week my dealer got cars in with VINs in the 3000's and mine hadn't arrived yet. Wish there was a pattern we could count on.

 

Mine is in the low 2000 range, and I picked her up today. From what I've heard, all west coast cars which were at the port have been sent to dealerships. If you have a VIN, yet no ETA at the dealer, then perhaps yours is one of the ones on the boats waiting to unload?

 

Keep checking your dealer's inventory at Nissandriven.com..when you see your VIN in your dealer's inventory it means the car is on the truck headed for your dealer...when it shows up on your dealers individual website inventory, they have it

 

The strike is crazy, and do ya'll realize that the union also forces ports to keep more wokers then it needs... they are wondering why it is dangerious...there are too many people that don't have a real purpose working there....In my Econ class today we were dicussing this and it once took 13 men to transfer goods off a ship before the new cranes and sea/land cargo containers now they only need aboud a max of 4 or so of thoes 13 men but the union forces the ports to still have 12. Now that here may be more cuts in jobs the union is trying to bully the ports to keep extra workers still. IT is extreamly inefficient and they are overpayed...lets see what hapens when you take the union of of the equation.....the good workers will be rewarded and the badones removed...this gives more efficiency and actually offers an individual the opptunity to maybe make more then theya re earning now.... this my sound far from reality but it is not...the crane opperators are quite skillied and can earn alot, but the general unskilled workers will lose alot of their pay...This is how the econiomy works..
...I am obviously anti-union....in the modern day we need to pay more atention to the rights of legal immagrents and protect them from being exployted and focus on more equality in the job marketplace... we all should have a fair chance at a good job and not have to deal with unions to get the jobs or have our jobs be affectied by unions... Strikes hurt everyone eventually and the selfish are the ones that benifit.....the owners are not "evil" they are just doing exactly what capitalism stand for. If one lets the market control the economey there will be more stability and more fareness in the job market as prices of jobs will not be inflated nor deflated from where they should be.

 

It's actually interesting to hear some of the renaissance thinking going on at work regarding people's new opinions about the worth of unions. I work in a fast-paced engineering department where we all used to put in thousands of hours because we honestly felt like we were saving lives.
Now, the pace has slowed, the layoffs continue, and people are generally melancholy because they feel exploited and used.

Everyone at work either has a friend or family member who is in a union, works 35 hours a week, gets paid scads of money, and has a monster pension waiting for them. Sounds tempting, doesn't it?

Nonetheless, it still doesn't justify why the union won't sign the contract. Isn't the better logic to keep people gainfully employed, instead of risking further job loss? Not to mention the indirect effect this will have on thousands upon thousands of innocent workers across the USA.