The Stats
06-09-2002, 12:50 AM
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The Stats
Earlier yesterday, I recieved an email from a gentleman claiming he had photos of the Daytona Blue and Stats on the car from an editior with Car and Driver.
I doubted him because he gave me no proof and I get 1-5 emails per day from people claiming this and claiming that. Well, he came through on the photos so I am giving him benefit of the doubt.
He provided us with photos that he linked to the site. I then emailed him again, asking if we could add the images to this site. He said we could, so I have given him full credit of course.
Kamran Ahmed is his name and he found the car in the parking lot of Car and Driver in Ann Arbour. He spoke with Andre Idzikowski, the road test editior.
The following ar Kamran's words:
"He said that they tested the car and the 0-60 was 5.8 and the horsepower was more like 295 NOT 280 and that the car was the actual production version. Also that the engine sounded AMAZING and very sports car like when the editor revved it."
So there you have it.
I have dispatched an email to my souce in Japan asking him to confirm this, being that he is the guy that told me 0-60 in 5.2 with 300 hp. It should be noted the car wasn't dynoed and that Andre said it felt like 295 so it very well might be 300.
The 5.8 thing is what throws me.... that's still plenty fast but it's not quite 5.2. To be fair though, with the Sentra SE-R, Nissan released stats showing 0-60 at one speed and then Motor Trend TV got it waaaay lower so maybe it was the testing conditions. Although C & D is a trusted source.
Sigh.
Well, there you have it. Unless Kamran is not telling us the truth, which I believe he is (because he has nothing to gain by lying), then there's your stats.
Hopefully, as a group we're not too let down. (haha)
Heck, it's still one heck of an amazing sports car!
Here's the photos by the way, Thanks Kamran!
https://my350z.com/photos/car-driver/
-j-
I doubted him because he gave me no proof and I get 1-5 emails per day from people claiming this and claiming that. Well, he came through on the photos so I am giving him benefit of the doubt.
He provided us with photos that he linked to the site. I then emailed him again, asking if we could add the images to this site. He said we could, so I have given him full credit of course.
Kamran Ahmed is his name and he found the car in the parking lot of Car and Driver in Ann Arbour. He spoke with Andre Idzikowski, the road test editior.
The following ar Kamran's words:
"He said that they tested the car and the 0-60 was 5.8 and the horsepower was more like 295 NOT 280 and that the car was the actual production version. Also that the engine sounded AMAZING and very sports car like when the editor revved it."
So there you have it.
I have dispatched an email to my souce in Japan asking him to confirm this, being that he is the guy that told me 0-60 in 5.2 with 300 hp. It should be noted the car wasn't dynoed and that Andre said it felt like 295 so it very well might be 300.
The 5.8 thing is what throws me.... that's still plenty fast but it's not quite 5.2. To be fair though, with the Sentra SE-R, Nissan released stats showing 0-60 at one speed and then Motor Trend TV got it waaaay lower so maybe it was the testing conditions. Although C & D is a trusted source.
Sigh.
Well, there you have it. Unless Kamran is not telling us the truth, which I believe he is (because he has nothing to gain by lying), then there's your stats.
Hopefully, as a group we're not too let down. (haha)
Heck, it's still one heck of an amazing sports car!
Here's the photos by the way, Thanks Kamran!
https://my350z.com/photos/car-driver/
-j-
06-09-2002, 12:56 AM
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I've been thinking about this and while I do believe the numbers that were told, I <b> STILL </b> believe that the official numbers will be lower.<b> I am sticking with 5.2 </b>as I was told by my source at Nissan Japan. He has been 100% right on everything thus far, and let's face it... 295/300 horsepower with a 0-60 time of 5.8 is NOT Nissan's fastest or most powerful car.
Ghosen was QUOTED in a press conference as saying this would be Nissan's most powerful Z ever when the car was announced in January 2001.
I'll wait until July 3rd and keep my fingers crossed.
-j-
Ghosen was QUOTED in a press conference as saying this would be Nissan's most powerful Z ever when the car was announced in January 2001.
I'll wait until July 3rd and keep my fingers crossed.
-j-
06-09-2002, 12:57 AM
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5.8 0-60
for a car that weighs only 3200lb?
and he has the track version? that seems way off.
the Lexus SC430 weighing a hefty 3900+ lbs, with 300 hp can do 0-60 in 5.9
hmmmm
the time should be below 5.5, easy. I guess we will have to wait for final printed, confirmed numbers.
for a car that weighs only 3200lb?
and he has the track version? that seems way off.
the Lexus SC430 weighing a hefty 3900+ lbs, with 300 hp can do 0-60 in 5.9
hmmmm
the time should be below 5.5, easy. I guess we will have to wait for final printed, confirmed numbers.
06-09-2002, 01:07 AM
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I'll believe that reviewer's 0-60 time when I see it printed in C&D's review. Maybe he was just trying to throw the guy off, maybe that 5.8s is with the traction control on.. Who knows? Who cares? We'll know everything soon enough 
Update @ 5:26pm EST : ZISME denied any of those numbers are true (hp or 0-60 time). But has confirmed the car is at Car&Driver.
Update @ 5:26pm EST : ZISME denied any of those numbers are true (hp or 0-60 time). But has confirmed the car is at Car&Driver.
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06-09-2002, 01:31 AM
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like i said a couple months ago.
300 is the targeted horse power and 295 might be the listed rating for insurance market purposes so not to price out the car to the entire public.... that guy could be correct on that.....but I do believe that a low 5 sec is very possible....the mags vary the ratings will see what nissan says is the official rating.....
I'm still crossing fingers for over a 300 hp rating and a 5.2
I'm still crossing fingers for over a 300 hp rating and a 5.2
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06-09-2002, 03:16 AM
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0-60 time
C&D is usually prety good at getting fast 0-60 times out of cars, so when they print us a number it should be accurate. I guarantee they are testing out a stick, not an auto. C&D are the kind of guys who think driving a car like the 350z with an auto is tantamount to sacrelidge.
All of the initial press from Nissan promised a 0-60 under 6 seconds. Most of the previews I read said they expected a 0-60 times of "just under 6 seconds". So I guess I wouldn't be too surprised with a 5.8 time.
All of the initial press from Nissan promised a 0-60 under 6 seconds. Most of the previews I read said they expected a 0-60 times of "just under 6 seconds". So I guess I wouldn't be too surprised with a 5.8 time.
06-09-2002, 05:20 AM
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0-60 @ 5.8??
No offense, but this brings up an interesting question.
How many of you would back out of the deal given the following parameters --
0-60 @ 5.0-5.5 seconds?
0-60 @ 5.6-5.7?
0-60 @ 5.8>= ?
I don't know about you folks, but out here, if you have a fast looking car, you better be ready to prove it.
How many of you would back out of the deal given the following parameters --
0-60 @ 5.0-5.5 seconds?
0-60 @ 5.6-5.7?
0-60 @ 5.8>= ?
I don't know about you folks, but out here, if you have a fast looking car, you better be ready to prove it.
06-09-2002, 05:29 AM
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If an Altima can do 0-60 in 5.9 then the Z had better be way faster than 5.8 or else there is something wrong period. The car had better be a low 5 sec (5.4 or less) or I'll gladly sell my place in line. I really think the car must be faster and that the source is at fault here.
06-09-2002, 05:54 AM
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Re: 0-60 @ 5.8??
Originally posted by shoalhaven
No offense, but this brings up an interesting question.
How many of you would back out of the deal given the following parameters --
0-60 @ 5.0-5.5 seconds?
0-60 @ 5.6-5.7?
0-60 @ 5.8>= ?
I don't know about you folks, but out here, if you have a fast looking car, you better be ready to prove it.
No offense, but this brings up an interesting question.
How many of you would back out of the deal given the following parameters --
0-60 @ 5.0-5.5 seconds?
0-60 @ 5.6-5.7?
0-60 @ 5.8>= ?
I don't know about you folks, but out here, if you have a fast looking car, you better be ready to prove it.
06-09-2002, 05:54 AM
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Not sure how many of you saw this, but ZISME stated in a post inside zcar that the 0-60 in 5.8 stat and the 295 hp stat were both wrong. Being that he works at Nissan and is second in command in the Z project, I tend to think he knows what he's talking about. I think Kamran was told information that was either misleading or maybe it was a projected guess that Andre from C & D made and it was taken as being factual. I wasn't there, I have no clue. I guess we'll all know soon enough.
-j-
(still sticking with the 0-60 in 5.2 and 300 hp statement that I made close to two months back based on my info out of Japan)
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(still sticking with the 0-60 in 5.2 and 300 hp statement that I made close to two months back based on my info out of Japan)
06-09-2002, 05:59 AM
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Regarding the pictures...
Interesting to note that the tires are....
Bridgestone Potenza RE040... the same ones that will definitely be used on the Japanese spec FairladyZ -- per my post last week.
for 18 inch rims:
Front: 225 / 45R 18 91W
Rear: 245/ 45R 18 96W
Interesting to note that the tires are....
Bridgestone Potenza RE040... the same ones that will definitely be used on the Japanese spec FairladyZ -- per my post last week.
for 18 inch rims:
Front: 225 / 45R 18 91W
Rear: 245/ 45R 18 96W
06-09-2002, 06:12 AM
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I wouldn't go by a single magazine's results when they don't correlate with the other data on the car. If they actually did get those numbers, the car (or the driver) may have had a problem.
06-09-2002, 06:30 AM
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I'm agreeing that the 5.8 is a bad number looking at existing cars we do have times for. (I think these are right). Even going with the original 280 number.
If it has 290 or more - which is likely - and weighs in at around 3,000 which is I think the latest thinking... (How much lighter will the track model be?) Do we know the exact weight yet on any trim?
01 Honda S2000 w/ 240 HP - weight 2,809 - 0-60 in 5.5 secs.
02 Porche Boxter S w/ 250 HP - weight 2,855 - 0-60 in 5.6 secs.
02 Porche Carerra w/ 320 HP - weight 2,910 - 0-60 in 4.8 secs.
01 BMW 540i w/ 282 HP - weight 3,803 - 0-60 in 5.9 secs.
01 Acura NSX w/ 290 HP - weight 3,164 - 0-60 in 4.9 secs.
02 Subaru Impreza WRX w/227 HP - weight 3,130 - 0-60 in 5.7 secs (This time I have always doubted - the numbers don't add up - I notice even the Subaru magazine ads make mention that this 0-60 time was *achieved by Car and Driver).
Real low 5's make sense to me. It can't even be mid 5's - I have to imagine this car will be substantially faster than the S2000 - which is 5.5. And it better be - with all this silly secrecy about the final numbers We need James Bond to get us the secret specs!
If it has 290 or more - which is likely - and weighs in at around 3,000 which is I think the latest thinking... (How much lighter will the track model be?) Do we know the exact weight yet on any trim?
01 Honda S2000 w/ 240 HP - weight 2,809 - 0-60 in 5.5 secs.
02 Porche Boxter S w/ 250 HP - weight 2,855 - 0-60 in 5.6 secs.
02 Porche Carerra w/ 320 HP - weight 2,910 - 0-60 in 4.8 secs.
01 BMW 540i w/ 282 HP - weight 3,803 - 0-60 in 5.9 secs.
01 Acura NSX w/ 290 HP - weight 3,164 - 0-60 in 4.9 secs.
02 Subaru Impreza WRX w/227 HP - weight 3,130 - 0-60 in 5.7 secs (This time I have always doubted - the numbers don't add up - I notice even the Subaru magazine ads make mention that this 0-60 time was *achieved by Car and Driver).
Real low 5's make sense to me. It can't even be mid 5's - I have to imagine this car will be substantially faster than the S2000 - which is 5.5. And it better be - with all this silly secrecy about the final numbers
We need James Bond to get us the secret specs!
06-09-2002, 06:33 AM
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C&D got 6.2s 0-60 from G35 automatic
Well, given that C&D got 6.2s 0-60 from a G35 automatic with 260hp, 260 lb-ft torque and weight of 3480 lb. I think the Z can do significantly better than 5.8s.
06-09-2002, 06:42 AM
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I will be very dissapointed if in fact 0-60 is 5.8 secs and will cancel my order and go with the M3. It does not matter how much HP the car has. It's about the performance and 0-60 in 5.8 secs translates into disspointing 1/4 mile performance compared to other cars in its class. 
Crossing my fingers and hoping for the best.
Crossing my fingers and hoping for the best.
06-09-2002, 07:13 AM
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Since I'm not a career drag racer or stop light racer, I don't really care if it is 5.8, thats still pretty darn quick and can be improved upon. That being said, With close to 300hp and weighing less than the Z31 it makes no sense. Should be at least 5.5 or less.
I guess we'll know the 1st week of june when all the mags come out and we can get an average.
I guess we'll know the 1st week of june when all the mags come out and we can get an average.