350Zforums (DAVE) ****ed up my car and constantly lies to me. Getting a lawyer
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Originally posted by 2002 Maxima SE
I'm sorry but I have to disagree. What else could she do? Send a nice letter? Make yet another unanswered call?
Dave has no leg to stand on here. He can't just say "Cat hurt my feelings with her post, so I'm not going to resolve this today". The ball is in his court, he did nothing and so Cat put some pressure on him by making this thread. She did not different than any of the guys here who got screwed by a dealership, posted the experience and said dealership fixes the situation and asks the thread to be removed.
This is a business problem not a personal problem and should be handled that way. If that means hurting his business through this thread so be it but that also means any consequences that Dave intends to direct due to it must be dealt with in the same manner.
What ifs and act this way have nothing to do with this situation. I'd say Cat needs to push it up to the next level and retain legal counsel, it is obvious her money is not on the way back to her.
I'm sorry but I have to disagree. What else could she do? Send a nice letter? Make yet another unanswered call?
Dave has no leg to stand on here. He can't just say "Cat hurt my feelings with her post, so I'm not going to resolve this today". The ball is in his court, he did nothing and so Cat put some pressure on him by making this thread. She did not different than any of the guys here who got screwed by a dealership, posted the experience and said dealership fixes the situation and asks the thread to be removed.
This is a business problem not a personal problem and should be handled that way. If that means hurting his business through this thread so be it but that also means any consequences that Dave intends to direct due to it must be dealt with in the same manner.
What ifs and act this way have nothing to do with this situation. I'd say Cat needs to push it up to the next level and retain legal counsel, it is obvious her money is not on the way back to her.
but, handle it the way you want to handle it. there's a way to go about it and look like a mature adult...and a way not to. do it the way you want. i'm not telling you not to do what you want to do. am i?
i handle my situations the way i want to...and i always come out on top. i've never been screwed in a deal...and i don't plan on it.
i never said not to be persistent...i just said not to be childish about it. come on...i'm in sales...i'm one of the most pushy, persistent people around...i just know how to do it without looking rude.
why doesn't she just go down with a gun then and threaten him then??
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Originally posted by djkern
i never said he is right and she is wrong. i think he's acting unprofessional...and she started off acting chilish. me, personally, i would have handled the situation differently.
but, handle it the way you want to handle it. there's a way to go about it and look like a mature adult...and a way not to. do it the way you want. i'm not telling you not to do what you want to do. am i?
i handle my situations the way i want to...and i always come out on top. i've never been screwed in a deal...and i don't plan on it.
i never said not to be persistent...i just said not to be childish about it. come on...i'm in sales...i'm one of the most pushy, persistent people around...i just know how to do it without looking rude.
why doesn't she just go down with a gun then and threaten him then??
i never said he is right and she is wrong. i think he's acting unprofessional...and she started off acting chilish. me, personally, i would have handled the situation differently.
but, handle it the way you want to handle it. there's a way to go about it and look like a mature adult...and a way not to. do it the way you want. i'm not telling you not to do what you want to do. am i?
i handle my situations the way i want to...and i always come out on top. i've never been screwed in a deal...and i don't plan on it.
i never said not to be persistent...i just said not to be childish about it. come on...i'm in sales...i'm one of the most pushy, persistent people around...i just know how to do it without looking rude.
why doesn't she just go down with a gun then and threaten him then??
I'm not hopping on your back, I guess I'm asking how you would have dealt with it. I think the thread was a good idea to turn up the pressure but a note from a lawyer at this point is what is called for.
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Sounds like the most professional and mature way to deal with this would be to get a lawyer and file a lawsuit/ and press charges against him.
I think Cat was very gracious by only posting. It would have been a LOT meaner to sue and press charges. Dave would have had a lot more on his hands than he does now.
Its an unfortunate situation and hopefully will get resolved. But I think most of us have been somewhere like this before.
BTW what a drama!
I think Cat was very gracious by only posting. It would have been a LOT meaner to sue and press charges. Dave would have had a lot more on his hands than he does now.
Its an unfortunate situation and hopefully will get resolved. But I think most of us have been somewhere like this before.
BTW what a drama!
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Originally posted by 2002 Maxima SE
That would be unprofessional
I'm not hopping on your back, I guess I'm asking how you would have dealt with it. I think the thread was a good idea to turn up the pressure but a note from a lawyer at this point is what is called for.
That would be unprofessional
I'm not hopping on your back, I guess I'm asking how you would have dealt with it. I think the thread was a good idea to turn up the pressure but a note from a lawyer at this point is what is called for.
i really don't know what i would do...it's tough to tell unless i'm in the situation. it all depends on my mood at the time and how pissed off i am. but, i never get to the point of airing my dirty laundry.
i don't think there is anything wrong with persistent calling (i call the same people every day to find out when my sale is going to close). i don't think being pissed off is a problem...just don't show the other person. once you are pissed...you show the other person your weakness. cat has dave in the palm of her hand. she can do whatever she wants...cause dave knows he is wrong and has to fix it. i would use that to my advantage. in my situation...i ended up with a full body kit FOR FREE...shipped and all.
Originally posted by kcobean
While I agree with you for the most part, I've discovered a very upsetting trend in the automotive service industry. That trend is that if you're a nice, pleasant, calm, non-irritable customer, the shop you're dealing with will feel comfortable in putting you off for some other priority (read: person who is yelling). I've seen it time and again with dealerships, paint-shops, aftermarket parts suppliers, and the list goes on. Why is the other guy yelling? Because he tried to be nice and HE got ignored for some other guy who was yelling. The circle continues because the industry doesn't address things BEFORE they get bad. It's called laziness.
It's almost as if they are in the firefighting business. When something explodes, they go deal with it, but until that point, whatever it is, it can wait. You almost have to explode just to get on their list of things to resolve. I hate that it's that way, but it's not the customers fault.
It's a disturbing trend that seems to be making it's way into many service industries in this country. It's the "I'll do as little as I can do for you without getting yelled at. When you start yelling, then you become a problem that I have to take care of."
I'm very quickly reaching the point now where I give 'em one strike, then I get ugly. It's simply the fastest way to get things accomplished when you're dealing with people who don't really care if you're happy as long as you go away.
I'm sure that labels me immature, but I'm a product of the environment in which I live, and I refuse to be a door-mat for vendors to wipe their feet on while they're dealing with other people.
While I agree with you for the most part, I've discovered a very upsetting trend in the automotive service industry. That trend is that if you're a nice, pleasant, calm, non-irritable customer, the shop you're dealing with will feel comfortable in putting you off for some other priority (read: person who is yelling). I've seen it time and again with dealerships, paint-shops, aftermarket parts suppliers, and the list goes on. Why is the other guy yelling? Because he tried to be nice and HE got ignored for some other guy who was yelling. The circle continues because the industry doesn't address things BEFORE they get bad. It's called laziness.
It's almost as if they are in the firefighting business. When something explodes, they go deal with it, but until that point, whatever it is, it can wait. You almost have to explode just to get on their list of things to resolve. I hate that it's that way, but it's not the customers fault.
It's a disturbing trend that seems to be making it's way into many service industries in this country. It's the "I'll do as little as I can do for you without getting yelled at. When you start yelling, then you become a problem that I have to take care of."
I'm very quickly reaching the point now where I give 'em one strike, then I get ugly. It's simply the fastest way to get things accomplished when you're dealing with people who don't really care if you're happy as long as you go away.
I'm sure that labels me immature, but I'm a product of the environment in which I live, and I refuse to be a door-mat for vendors to wipe their feet on while they're dealing with other people.
the only place that actually bothers me and gets me frustrated is the airport. the people there, for some reason, get to me. ha-ha.
i will never be a door-mat.
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Originally posted by djkern
4 posts and already trying to be a toughguy. toughguy talk over the internet is useless pal.
i'm just mature. guess that's a foreign concept to you.
when you handle things like an adult....you get treated like an adult. i don't want cat to cause dave to push this off even more. cat attacking him and reating to this the way she did...just makes dave not want to deal with the situation at all.
i'm not talking about what SHOULD be done...i'm just talking about how people react to siatuations. if you were eating dinner in a nice restaurant and your steak showed up and was cold....do you scream and yell and ***** at the waiter? i would hope not.
not passive at all...i get my way in any situation. i just know how to react in situations. you're that guy in the restaurants or stores that everyone looks at and says "man, what's that guys problem?"
"you're one of us"....uh, no. i'm not one of you. i only drive the same car.
handling everything with anger gets you nowhere.
you have a lot to learn little boy.
4 posts and already trying to be a toughguy. toughguy talk over the internet is useless pal.
i'm just mature. guess that's a foreign concept to you.
when you handle things like an adult....you get treated like an adult. i don't want cat to cause dave to push this off even more. cat attacking him and reating to this the way she did...just makes dave not want to deal with the situation at all.
i'm not talking about what SHOULD be done...i'm just talking about how people react to siatuations. if you were eating dinner in a nice restaurant and your steak showed up and was cold....do you scream and yell and ***** at the waiter? i would hope not.
not passive at all...i get my way in any situation. i just know how to react in situations. you're that guy in the restaurants or stores that everyone looks at and says "man, what's that guys problem?"
"you're one of us"....uh, no. i'm not one of you. i only drive the same car.
handling everything with anger gets you nowhere.
you have a lot to learn little boy.
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Originally posted by djkern
i never said he is right and she is wrong. i think he's acting unprofessional...and she started off acting chilish. me, personally, i would have handled the situation differently.
but, handle it the way you want to handle it. there's a way to go about it and look like a mature adult...and a way not to. do it the way you want. i'm not telling you not to do what you want to do. am i?
i handle my situations the way i want to...and i always come out on top. i've never been screwed in a deal...and i don't plan on it.
i never said not to be persistent...i just said not to be childish about it. come on...i'm in sales...i'm one of the most pushy, persistent people around...i just know how to do it without looking rude.
why doesn't she just go down with a gun then and threaten him then??
i never said he is right and she is wrong. i think he's acting unprofessional...and she started off acting chilish. me, personally, i would have handled the situation differently.
but, handle it the way you want to handle it. there's a way to go about it and look like a mature adult...and a way not to. do it the way you want. i'm not telling you not to do what you want to do. am i?
i handle my situations the way i want to...and i always come out on top. i've never been screwed in a deal...and i don't plan on it.
i never said not to be persistent...i just said not to be childish about it. come on...i'm in sales...i'm one of the most pushy, persistent people around...i just know how to do it without looking rude.
why doesn't she just go down with a gun then and threaten him then??
hmmmmz.... for some reason everyone thinks that Cat shouldnt have done this shouldnt have done that.... but I guess no one knows how frustrating it is never to be able to get in touch with someone. trust me he ignores ur phone calls. WHY? cause if u are a new number and he doesnt have your money, he will answer every call you ever give him. Something is going on u willn ever be able to reach him. You have his SN online, you always pm him and he will respond, oh gotta go to where blah blah be back later. and bounces. For a week or 2 this is okay. I had to wait over 4 months for a REFUND. you call his old store all you hear is... oh dave doesnt ever come in... dont know what to tell you. yah you guys are saying take it easy... its really easy for a week or 2 maybe a month, but have that same routine constantly used on you for a month. wow youll wonder if your ever going to get anything solved. This thing with Cat probably will only be solved because she made it a big deal and if dave doesnt do something he will lose buisness online. Cheap way for her to get it resolved.
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Originally posted by jmorriso
Look Boston boy, no little here. Hell, ask Dave, he knows me very well, you wouldn't last 2 seconds with me, so don't even go there. You are a boring person, you talk to people like they have to right to express their anger. Quit being a ***** and move on. And no, I don't scream at a poor waiter for delivering an uncooked steak, Jesus, you are really pathetic in your own little sick, but "perfect" little world or yours. Again, grow some Boston!
Look Boston boy, no little here. Hell, ask Dave, he knows me very well, you wouldn't last 2 seconds with me, so don't even go there. You are a boring person, you talk to people like they have to right to express their anger. Quit being a ***** and move on. And no, I don't scream at a poor waiter for delivering an uncooked steak, Jesus, you are really pathetic in your own little sick, but "perfect" little world or yours. Again, grow some Boston!
talking like a big guy...telling someone they'd kick their a$$...that must prove you have big *****.
watch out everyone...jmorriso is huge and will kick everyone's a$$!! better run and hide!
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Originally posted by jmorriso
You can be aggressive about something without being rude DJ. And a gun? Wow, you are the only person that mentioned a gun in any conversation. Give me a break Boston, why does anger scare you so much? Chill....
You can be aggressive about something without being rude DJ. And a gun? Wow, you are the only person that mentioned a gun in any conversation. Give me a break Boston, why does anger scare you so much? Chill....
the "bring a gun" was sarcasm. everyone was saying that anger and yelling and being rude is ok...so, since she's from texas...why not bring a gun....everyone carries one there.
(and my fiancee is from texas...i have no problems with texas...i'm in dallas many times a year. i actually like it there...just would never move there. it's too hot...and the resale value of a house isn't close to what it is in boston)anger doesn't scare me...i just don't think you get as far.
i never said i don't get angry. haha. i just don't use it to get what i want.
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Originally posted by djkern
again...toughguy internet talk. another pathetic attempt to look cool. not happenin' bro. sorry. (yawn)
talking like a big guy...telling someone they'd kick their a$$...that must prove you have big *****.
watch out everyone...jmorriso is huge and will kick everyone's a$$!! better run and hide!
again...toughguy internet talk. another pathetic attempt to look cool. not happenin' bro. sorry. (yawn)
talking like a big guy...telling someone they'd kick their a$$...that must prove you have big *****.
watch out everyone...jmorriso is huge and will kick everyone's a$$!! better run and hide!
Either way, you're trying to be a parent to someone that is not desired nor needed. Get over your passive ways and become a man. Oh, I'm not doing this to be cool Dj, as you stated above. I'm just telling it like it is but you are scared of confrontation and anger, and I guess that is ok for you, but I refuse to be passive and actually do something about any given situation. I bet you're one of those people that wants to give Osama a hug and give him love, cuz that's what we all need in this little perfect world of ours right? Seriously though, anytime you wanna come down to Texas, I'll buy you a beer Texas style.
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Originally posted by djkern
i know you can be very agressive without being rude. i'm in sales...i know this for sure. that's what sales is all about.
the "bring a gun" was sarcasm. everyone was saying that anger and yelling and being rude is ok...so, since she's from texas...why not bring a gun....everyone carries one there. (and my fiancee is from texas...i have no problems with texas...i'm in dallas many times a year. i actually like it there...just would never move there. it's too hot...and the resale value of a house isn't close to what it is in boston)
anger doesn't scare me...i just don't think you get as far.
i never said i don't get angry. haha. i just don't use it to get what i want.
i know you can be very agressive without being rude. i'm in sales...i know this for sure. that's what sales is all about.
the "bring a gun" was sarcasm. everyone was saying that anger and yelling and being rude is ok...so, since she's from texas...why not bring a gun....everyone carries one there.
(and my fiancee is from texas...i have no problems with texas...i'm in dallas many times a year. i actually like it there...just would never move there. it's too hot...and the resale value of a house isn't close to what it is in boston)anger doesn't scare me...i just don't think you get as far.
i never said i don't get angry. haha. i just don't use it to get what i want.
Hmmm....uh, OK!
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Originally posted by jmorriso
Who said I was huge? Wasn't me hoss. I bet you thought that since you Boston boys think everything is "bigger" in Texas, what a joke.
Either way, you're trying to be a parent to someone that is not desired nor needed. Get over your passive ways and become a man. Oh, I'm not doing this to be cool Dj, as you stated above. I'm just telling it like it is but you are scared of confrontation and anger, and I guess that is ok for you, but I refuse to be passive and actually do something about any given situation. I bet you're one of those people that wants to give Osama a hug and give him love, cuz that's what we all need in this little perfect world of ours right? Seriously though, anytime you wanna come down to Texas, I'll buy you a beer Texas style.
Who said I was huge? Wasn't me hoss. I bet you thought that since you Boston boys think everything is "bigger" in Texas, what a joke.
Either way, you're trying to be a parent to someone that is not desired nor needed. Get over your passive ways and become a man. Oh, I'm not doing this to be cool Dj, as you stated above. I'm just telling it like it is but you are scared of confrontation and anger, and I guess that is ok for you, but I refuse to be passive and actually do something about any given situation. I bet you're one of those people that wants to give Osama a hug and give him love, cuz that's what we all need in this little perfect world of ours right? Seriously though, anytime you wanna come down to Texas, I'll buy you a beer Texas style.
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Originally posted by djkern
what part don't you get?
lacking brain power too?
what part don't you get?
lacking brain power too?
That beer offer still stands, anytime!
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Originally posted by djkern
i'm just mature. guess that's a foreign concept to you.
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you have a lot to learn little boy.
i'm just mature. guess that's a foreign concept to you.
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you have a lot to learn little boy.
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To clarify, jmorriso is basically just trolling here, but at least he's being pretty obvious about it. If anyone wants to wallow in the mud with him, that's fine, but you really can't do any mud-slinging and demonstrate how mature you are at the same time. I'd just ignore him
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Originally posted by vermilion
Your maturity seems to involve some snide remarks and name-calling. I think maturity is realizing that random conflicts with strangers on internet forums don't matter and shrugging them off when they happen. Trading insults? We all did that in grade school; it's not particularly mature.
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To clarify, jmorriso is basically just trolling here, but at least he's being pretty obvious about it. If anyone wants to wallow in the mud with him, that's fine, but you really can't do any mud-slinging and demonstrate how mature you are at the same time. I'd just ignore him
Your maturity seems to involve some snide remarks and name-calling. I think maturity is realizing that random conflicts with strangers on internet forums don't matter and shrugging them off when they happen. Trading insults? We all did that in grade school; it's not particularly mature.
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To clarify, jmorriso is basically just trolling here, but at least he's being pretty obvious about it. If anyone wants to wallow in the mud with him, that's fine, but you really can't do any mud-slinging and demonstrate how mature you are at the same time. I'd just ignore him
No need to "ignore" me, I'm done. I still think DJ is a poopy head though, now that's maturity! LOL Nothing but love...
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Originally posted by jmorriso
No need to "ignore" me, I'm done. I still think DJ is a poopy head though, now that's maturity! LOL Nothing but love...
No need to "ignore" me, I'm done. I still think DJ is a poopy head though, now that's maturity! LOL Nothing but love...
i'll be in dallas in december. i'll PM you before i head down there.
but, honestly...i still don't know what you are lauging at. resale value of a house is MUCH higher here in boston than it is in dallas (even if you live in highland park). what is so funny about that?
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Originally posted by djkern
haha. i love you too.
i'll be in dallas in december. i'll PM you before i head down there.
but, honestly...i still don't know what you are lauging at. resale value of a house is MUCH higher here in boston than it is in dallas (even if you live in highland park). what is so funny about that?
haha. i love you too.
i'll be in dallas in december. i'll PM you before i head down there.
but, honestly...i still don't know what you are lauging at. resale value of a house is MUCH higher here in boston than it is in dallas (even if you live in highland park). what is so funny about that?
