Magical 276????
06-13-2002 | 06:31 AM
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Magical 276????
GujuCAR350 found the Dino chart @ www.zcar.com
https://my350z.com/japan/june11/page3.html
it rated the HP as being 280ps and 37kgm, which I resume to be both hp and torque. I found a conversion for the HP, which resulted in 276...this number is coeincidently the same number as the torque that we all got from Jmanz at www.my350z.com....... I found this very interesting...not sure what it exactly means.....
I got 276hp from using two methods to convert the HP. First was a direct conversion and more accurate PS ---> HP and the second was PS ---> Kw --- Hp, a greater error percentage but good for an appromixate check on numbers to make sure they are accurate...
I'm hopeing these numbers actually are AT THE WHEELS, but an ill gut feeling leads me to believe that these are FLYWHEEL values. if there is a 15% drive train loss and these ARE at the the wheels, the car should be pushing out 325hp which I think is rather unbelievable. A 10% loss would provide for 306hp, a bit more believable, but unbelievable efficency in the drive train.
I found this page
https://my350z.com/japan/june11/page5.html
while snooping futhur around, and found that the torque and horsepower peaks are EXACTLY the same as Jmanz gave us
our results are
287hp @ 6200rpm
276lb/ft @ 4800rpm
there results...
280ps @ 6200rpm
37kgm @ 4800rpm
I proceeded to try to make a number out of the kgm, unsucessful to find a conversion, I came up with a number os 240lb/ft (which would if correct come up to 282hp @ the crank assuming the torque is measured at the crank, I don't believe this number to be correct so anyone who knows how to convert kgm to lb/ft please post the correct numbers. I don't wish to create any confusion.
Method 1
Convert PS --> Kw --> Hp (greater % error)
*280ps = 206kw
(1ps = 0.735kw)
*206kw = 276.246hp
(1kw = 1.341hp)
276hp.........
Method 2
Convert PS = Hp
1hp = 1.0139ps
280ps = 276.161hp
276hp..........
https://my350z.com/japan/june11/page3.html
it rated the HP as being 280ps and 37kgm, which I resume to be both hp and torque. I found a conversion for the HP, which resulted in 276...this number is coeincidently the same number as the torque that we all got from Jmanz at www.my350z.com....... I found this very interesting...not sure what it exactly means.....
I got 276hp from using two methods to convert the HP. First was a direct conversion and more accurate PS ---> HP and the second was PS ---> Kw --- Hp, a greater error percentage but good for an appromixate check on numbers to make sure they are accurate...
I'm hopeing these numbers actually are AT THE WHEELS, but an ill gut feeling leads me to believe that these are FLYWHEEL values. if there is a 15% drive train loss and these ARE at the the wheels, the car should be pushing out 325hp which I think is rather unbelievable. A 10% loss would provide for 306hp, a bit more believable, but unbelievable efficency in the drive train.
I found this page
https://my350z.com/japan/june11/page5.html
while snooping futhur around, and found that the torque and horsepower peaks are EXACTLY the same as Jmanz gave us
our results are
287hp @ 6200rpm
276lb/ft @ 4800rpm
there results...
280ps @ 6200rpm
37kgm @ 4800rpm
I proceeded to try to make a number out of the kgm, unsucessful to find a conversion, I came up with a number os 240lb/ft (which would if correct come up to 282hp @ the crank assuming the torque is measured at the crank, I don't believe this number to be correct so anyone who knows how to convert kgm to lb/ft please post the correct numbers. I don't wish to create any confusion.
Method 1
Convert PS --> Kw --> Hp (greater % error)
*280ps = 206kw
(1ps = 0.735kw)
*206kw = 276.246hp
(1kw = 1.341hp)
276hp.........
Method 2
Convert PS = Hp
1hp = 1.0139ps
280ps = 276.161hp
276hp..........
06-13-2002 | 06:43 AM
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makes sense....
oh
hp is 276 @ 6200rpm
torque is 267 @ 4800rpm
(thanks again to GujuCAR350 for the link)
http://www.metroyamaha.com.au/tools.htm
sorry bout all the fuss...
oh
hp is 276 @ 6200rpm
torque is 267 @ 4800rpm
(thanks again to GujuCAR350 for the link)
http://www.metroyamaha.com.au/tools.htm
sorry bout all the fuss...
06-13-2002 | 06:55 AM
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isn't 276HP the number of the infamous "gentleman's agreement" between the major japanese car companies? I beleive it is, and it has been proven many times on dyno charts that many of the cars listed at that HP rating actually have more.... much more even, so the agreement is really pointless, but for some reason, they keep it up. Correct me anyone, if I am wrong, cuz I very well may be.
06-13-2002 | 05:50 PM
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How do we know that the dyno is at the flywheel? I have no experience with engine mods or dynos, but what I have seen is all at the wheels, no? I don't see how we would be getting 276hp at the wheels. Could someone educate me?
06-13-2002 | 06:20 PM
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Wait a second, you mean I <b> DIDN'T MAKE UP THOSE NUMBERS ?</b>
:O
haha... just kidding
Remember, those numbers are NOT the final specs. They are the specs that Nissan gave to magazines so they could write about the car even if they hadn't had hands on testing of the 350Z.
The final specs, you will find after a magazine or two have gotten their hands on the final version, to be higher than 287 and faster than the 5.5 second 0-60 dash.
Not a great deal better, but they will be different numbers.
At least, that's what this dream I keep having tells me.
-j-
:O
haha... just kidding
Remember, those numbers are NOT the final specs. They are the specs that Nissan gave to magazines so they could write about the car even if they hadn't had hands on testing of the 350Z.
The final specs, you will find after a magazine or two have gotten their hands on the final version, to be higher than 287 and faster than the 5.5 second 0-60 dash.
Not a great deal better, but they will be different numbers.
At least, that's what this dream I keep having tells me.
-j-
06-13-2002 | 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by stungeon
JmanZ,
How did you, with that mug of yours, hook up with such a cute girl?
JmanZ,
How did you, with that mug of yours, hook up with such a cute girl?
Oddly enough, I met Shell online. I was living in Calgary and the bar scene was getting old. I was tired of meeting girls with more baggage than Greyhound so I decided to hit a couple places online. I posted a small ad at webpersonals.com (which is now lavalife.com I think) and she had one as well because she was tired of the guys that were "players" (insecure little boys that wouldn't know how to treat a lady if their lives depended on it). We started to chat one night and ten days l was off to Pullman, where she was attending WSU to meet her face to face. We just haven't looked back since, that was in November of 1999. We're now married and being that we both work from home (building websites, kicking cats, ordering out) we're with each other almost 24/7 and we love it.
https://my350z.com/forum/media-share/691-me-and-my-wife.html has a better pic of us together at the top when we were camping in June of 2000 in Cranbrook, British Columbia, Canada. (eh)
I guess to sum it all up.... I got lucky. I won the lottery.
haha-j-
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06-13-2002 | 06:55 PM
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Good for you. Sounds like you struck gold.
I know all too well how where you are coming from. I am 35, previously married, and doing the singles thing again. I have decided to just forget about women for a while and have some fun in a new Z. I can't wait!
I know all too well how where you are coming from. I am 35, previously married, and doing the singles thing again. I have decided to just forget about women for a while and have some fun in a new Z. I can't wait!
06-13-2002 | 07:04 PM
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Thanks... you're right, I did strike gold.
Man, that was me too before I met Shell. Previously married for ten years. I did the single thing for awhile..... did the dating thing and after being married for ten years... damn, it was not what I remembered. What I think the funniest thing was for me, is that at the time I was 29 (I'll be 33 in Sept) and in the bar, I would have girls 18-19-20 years old hitting on me. (like shooting fish in a barrel I tell ya) (haha... KIDDING.. sheesh... tough crowd)
Nah... dating/playing around... it was fun but I'm way happier now. Mind you, if I had my Z when I was single.... yikes, that's a scarey thought. I'd have really been into some trouble!
-j-
Man, that was me too before I met Shell. Previously married for ten years. I did the single thing for awhile..... did the dating thing and after being married for ten years... damn, it was not what I remembered. What I think the funniest thing was for me, is that at the time I was 29 (I'll be 33 in Sept) and in the bar, I would have girls 18-19-20 years old hitting on me. (like shooting fish in a barrel I tell ya) (haha... KIDDING.. sheesh... tough crowd)
Nah... dating/playing around... it was fun but I'm way happier now. Mind you, if I had my Z when I was single.... yikes, that's a scarey thought. I'd have really been into some trouble!
-j-
06-13-2002 | 08:41 PM
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Jman, I got a question for ya on your numbers. If these are what Nissan's press kit states, then won't these be the numbers reported in magazines and online publications? Or are you saying that the major mags will run their own dyno tests and such? Will this create a conflict of information? I guess I'm confused as to why Nissan would release numbers that aren't right. What do you think?
06-13-2002 | 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by infinite z
Jman, I got a question for ya on your numbers. If these are what Nissan's press kit states, then won't these be the numbers reported in magazines and online publications? Or are you saying that the major mags will run their own dyno tests and such? Will this create a conflict of information? I guess I'm confused as to why Nissan would release numbers that aren't right. What do you think?
Jman, I got a question for ya on your numbers. If these are what Nissan's press kit states, then won't these be the numbers reported in magazines and online publications? Or are you saying that the major mags will run their own dyno tests and such? Will this create a conflict of information? I guess I'm confused as to why Nissan would release numbers that aren't right. What do you think?
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