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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ART_
My '05 Base was 3110 pounds with 1/4 full in tank. If Nissan can't make at least the 370z base model close to that number I say it's a waste of time and R&D!
Just for comparison's sake, keep in mind that 3/4 tank of gas is almost 100 pounds...
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 07:43 AM
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DIAF.

What in the world those that mean? LOL

edit: Wait, wait, wait....Die In A Fire??

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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 07:53 AM
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One gallon of gas weights bettwe 5.8 - 6.5 lbs and the 350z has a 20 gal. max

total weight: 116 - 130
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 08:06 AM
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wow, so its still a poker .
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianV
True, but it won't be to the tune of 150LBS off. Many people were rumoring 3,100 LBS. I was skeptical on that since the interior has been upgraded and I've never seen Nissan make a light weight car (300ZX = pig, GTR = porky, 350Z = heavy), etc.

However, I will give them credit for improving the car's interior, adding a larger/better engine, whilst keeping the weight down. Obviously it'll significantly outperform the DE Zs and should still be noticeably quicker than the HR Zs. I'm sure with the wheelbase, the handling will be much improved as well.
GTR porky? But still defeating the competition(Porsche 911 turbo), yes Ill take that porker any day
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Rexy7
GTR porky? But still defeating the competition(Porsche 911 turbo), yes Ill take that porker any day
Agreed!
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 09:08 AM
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All cars are getting heavier...
I don't knwo why you guys think this one will be any different.

Unless you want the price to soar out of our reaches, and then have all the lightweight materials to make it lighter.

This car is going to MOVE compared to the old ones thats the difference.
Especially the older DE models
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ART_
My '05 Base was 3110 pounds with 1/4 full in tank. If Nissan can't make at least the 370z base model close to that number I say it's a waste of time and R&D!

Here is the current break down for weight of 350z:

Base 3320

Enthusiast 3327

Touring 3376

Grand Touring 3381

NISMO 3353
More proof that Nissan BSes numbers. You weighed your car 3110 with about 5 gallons in the car. With a 20 gallon tank, our cars carry 120lbs of gasoline. Without gasoline, your base weighs about 3080lbs. With it, it weighs 3200. A number that's quite shy of 3320.

If these weight numbers aren't more of Nissan's BS, the car gained weight.

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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by trebien
Yeah, it didn't really need any additional power.

And it didn't really need a nicer interior.

Nor a 7 speed auto...

Hell, they should have made it heavier, slower, put in an 8-track player and a 4 speed auto... no, better yet, a 3-on-the-tree...

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was talking to a fool.

- it did need a nicer interior
- it sure as **** didn't need a 7 speed auto and if you think it does you are an idiot
- why you would think it should be heavier or think I would want it to be when my comments in this thread clearly say otherwise is beyond me.
- no sports car needs any automatic option (check)

your pointless and weak attempts at a sarcastic reply make me laugh. at you.
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 09:16 AM
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I bet the 370Z still beats the competition from Porsche, Audi, BMW, Toyota/Subarau, Hyundai, etc.... Just like the GTR pretty much beat all it's competition.....

Numbers and stats on paper can be decieving with anything, just look at the Dallas Cowboys.... The 370 will rock.
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Arnold K.
More proof that Nissan BSes numbers. You weighed your car 3110 with about 5 gallons in the car. With a 20 gallon tank, our cars carry 120lbs of gasoline. Without gasoline, your base weighs about 3080lbs. With it, it weighs 3200. A number that's quite shy of 3320.

If these weight numbers aren't more of Nissan's BS, the car gained weight.
We don't know if this car has any other mods, ALL fluids topped off, how accurate the scale was, etc.

The whole conspiracy theory thing is a little bit far-fetched. And until a bunch of stock cars on certified scales are weighed, I'm not buying it. Nissan had very little to gain by saying the 350Z was heavier than it was (for years), and this is an important dimension, and I doubt the EPA or DOT would let them get away with such a disparity.

And when auto publications (C&D and R&T) do their own weighing, on certified scales, on stock cars, and come up with manufacturer numbers, I tend to believe them as opposed to mod-friendly enthusiasts weighing personal cars...
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Motormouth
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was talking to a fool.

- it did need a nicer interior
- it sure as **** didn't need a 7 speed auto and if you think it does you are an idiot
- why you would think it should be heavier or think I would want it to be when my comments in this thread clearly say otherwise is beyond me.
- no sports car needs any automatic option (check)

your pointless and weak attempts at a sarcastic reply make me laugh. at you.
You're right.

A 7 spd auto with better acceleration AND better fuel economy? That's absurd!

My point was you're justifying it's downfalls... I'm not a fanboi and can call it like I see it. I have no allegiance to any certain brand, and have owned many domestic and foreign cars. He who has the best product for my uses wins my dollars... simple as that.

I can't say I've ever driven a sports car and said to myself "Well, it doesn't need to handle this well... they should really stop trying to improve on their products."

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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Rexy7
GTR porky? But still defeating the competition(Porsche 911 turbo), yes Ill take that porker any day
Yes it totally kicks a$$, but it is porky. It's a good 600LBS heavier than any of its competition, but it stills whips their a$$. My only point was to show that Nissan has not in the past two decades really made a sports car that is on the lighter side of the competitive spectrum:

E.G:
300ZX heavier than Supra and RX7
350Z heavier than S2000, RX8, Corvette

I was expecting a 50-100LB drop due to the shorter chassis, I was not expecting some miracle 3000LBS because historically Nissan does not invest R&D in making cars lighter to achieve performance, they do it in other ways.
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Endgame
I bet the 370Z still beats the competition from Porsche, Audi, BMW, Toyota/Subarau, Hyundai, etc.... Just like the GTR pretty much beat all it's competition.....

Numbers and stats on paper can be decieving with anything, just look at the Dallas Cowboys.... The 370 will rock.
Toyota needs to step up....where's the Supra? I would love to see a new
mkV. Also would love to see a new rx7, which is rumored as well
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Endgame
Wait for it guys..... Don't get too excited yet...... I think even if Nissan says this is the weight, when actually weighed by the Car mags and forum members, it will be lighter.
Nissan's stated weight is what really matters, not what other member's weigh it in at. What we care about is the differences between the 350Z and 370Z.

Comparing what other people weigh the car at is like comparing a dynapack to a dynadynamics... let's use their numbers for better consistency and accuracy, since they most likely use the same method of weighing them

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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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[QUOTE=BrianV;6547354]

E.G:
300ZX Turbo ranged anywhere from 3450lbs and up if you want to fix this
buy a slicktop which weighs 3100lbs, then swap the engine. buy some lightweight components and do a turbo back exhaust, intakes, reflash,injectors and smics and you have a 450hp car. that weighs 3,000lbs with a 4.083 rear end.

Supra turbo was the same, BPU= 500hp so weight really doesnt matter
RX-7 is 2800lbs and really small. get 350 whp and your good.


350Z HR. end thread lol.
S2000: designed by honda's Amazing engineers, need i say more?
RX8, slow car.
Corvette, fiber glass and big V8 not much can compete.
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ART_
My '05 Base was 3110 pounds with 1/4 full in tank. If Nissan can't make at least the 370z base model close to that number I say it's a waste of time and R&D!
What a lot of people are forgetting is that the new Z will have standard saftey equipment that was not included in the old base model's curb weight. Also, there is the matter of WHERE the weight is carried. Even if the new car weighs the same, which it won't, but uses aluminum for the roofskin, doors and hatch, then the center of gravity (CG) will be lower and closer to the roll center of the car, making this thing handle incredibly well.

Also, if Japan does add about 150lbs for the driver, then the US curb weight, which includes topped off fluids including a full tank of gas, and no driver may end up closer to the 3100lbs that people were hoping for.

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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Arnold K.
More proof that Nissan BSes numbers. You weighed your car 3110 with about 5 gallons in the car. With a 20 gallon tank, our cars carry 120lbs of gasoline. Without gasoline, your base weighs about 3080lbs. With it, it weighs 3200. A number that's quite shy of 3320.

If these weight numbers aren't more of Nissan's BS, the car gained weight.
Should of specified the weights I posted where for 2008 model, earlier years where much lighter, official spec on 2005 Base is 3188 pounds, which is close to what I had.
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by in.the.dark
What a lot of people are forgetting is that the new Z will have standard saftey equipment that was not included in the old base model's curb weight. Also, there is the matter of WHERE the weight is carried. Even if the new car weighs the same, which it won't, but uses aluminum for the roofskin, doors and hatch, then the center of gravity (CG) will be lower and closer to the roll center of the car, making this thing handle incredibly well.

Also, if Japan does add about 150lbs for the driver, then the US curb weight, which includes topped off fluids including a full tank of gas, and no driver may end up closer to the 3100lbs that people were hoping for.
good point.
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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[QUOTE=supergoji;6547882]
Originally Posted by BrianV

E.G:
300ZX Turbo ranged anywhere from 3450lbs and up if you want to fix this
buy a slicktop which weighs 3100lbs, then swap the engine. buy some lightweight components and do a turbo back exhaust, intakes, reflash,injectors and smics and you have a 450hp car. that weighs 3,000lbs with a 4.083 rear end.

Supra turbo was the same, BPU= 500hp so weight really doesnt matter
RX-7 is 2800lbs and really small. get 350 whp and your good.


350Z HR. end thread lol.
S2000: designed by honda's Amazing engineers, need i say more?
RX8, slow car.
Corvette, fiber glass and big V8 not much can compete.
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I fail to realize what you've done other than confirm my original post, Nissans generally weigh more than the competition...
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