Carrera is in a different class than 370z, not even close, costs twice as much at least.

Nissan should make a cool one for the 370z like they did for this one.
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What's the big deal about the weight? It performs better than any 350z out there in every possible way...

 

they kinda made a commercial with a similar message for the 350z

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so i kinda doubt they would make a commercial with this kinda message again with the 370z.

 

The 25 more HP (and increased torque, due to DI) and the PDK will net the new Cayman S a very discernible performance advantage over the 370Z... like a 4.5 sprint to 60 and high 12s in the quarter.

The new CS is getting a lot more power, more torque, much faster tranny and very little weight gain... same basic design and chassis.

 

3250lb for 06-08?!?!?! Where are you getting these numbers from? The spec on 07 Touring is 3400lb and Grand Touring 3404lbs.

Before the race I weighted my bone stock '07 GT with 1/4 tank of gas and it was 3420lbs.

Get the facts streight:

370z is heavier than 03-05 350z and lighter than 06-08 350z

END OF STORY

 

Sounds like you're using manufacturer's specs... which IS "ridiculous".

The PDK makes a big difference, and the DI gives a lot more HP AND torque.

The new 911 gets the PDK as well... so it's secure in the lineup.

The 911 PDK is estimated at a sprint to 60 around 4 flat...

 

No!!! Its not ridiculous. I got the info from Edmunds(which I know can be conservative at times, but probably the same kind of #'s most drivers will see). They tested both of the 2008 911's. You're talking about the 2009's, and estimating it do such and such #, which is speculating/estimating, and that IS completely ridiculous. Wait till a road test is done, then call me ridiculous. People are being a little too generous with Porsche and the cat's not even outta the bag yet, like some did with the 370z.

 

that weight is for the sport package equipped model (bigger rims/tires/brakes, best interior)... how much do you think those brakes weigh over the normal units?... my guess is a lot.

 

Errr, did you miss out on all of the posts I've made about this issue. My car weighed 3250 bone stock, full tank, as did other 07s and 08s here. GTs are heavier, as are Nismos - we've known that. Nissan's advertised weights for the 06-08 weren't very true. Only the Nismo and GTs seemed to have the correct weights, the Base-Tourings didn't.

 

For those of you who are still complaining about the 0-60 time not being much improved, iIt's been said that every 100lbs loss improves 0-60 by 0.1 second. With all things being similar weight between 350z and 370z, a 4.7 to 5.1 in 0-60 sounds right for the 370z.

Unless you are this guy
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How did you weigh it? If you weighed it the same way as some of the Mustang guys did, then your numbers are going to be off.

 

O.K. The Nismos perform at a higher level than the GTs and other models..correct? So the Nismo is the performance benchmark for the Z33 correct?? How much do the Nismos weigh??

That said, the Z34 performs not as the base Z/GTs, it performs at the Nismo level and better than the Nismo in braking, skidpad, and 0-60. Thus, we are basically looking at, not just a better Z, but a better Nismo Z. Oh yeah, and it happens to be about 7k cheaper!!

 

Very true!

 

Hey Im not the one that mentioned the Cayman/S as a target....Nissan intimated that..Soooo Im comparing it because Nissan supposedly was to make the 370z on par or better than the Cayman models. They have fallen way short vs the 320hp PDK Cayman S with the 370z but its probably on par with the normal Cayman. Im hoping the Nismo vversion will hold up Nissans words about being on par with the Cayman S. Maybe a DCT Nismo wit a power bump or weight drop....Pipe dream...lol

As for the 370z being on par with a 5-6 year old BMW big deal...BTW I can get that e46 M3 for much less [year dependant] than a new 370z so its not that big of a performance bargain at present.

 

Yeah, but that E46 is going to cost how much in maintenance!!!

I still think the Z34 will hold its own on the track... It will KILL the standard Cayman and come closer than we might think on the 320 HP Cayman S.

As has been stated ealier the Cayman S cost how much?? Porsche is the one on the hot seat!! The Z has the wind at its back. Even if Nissan said they were targeting the Cayman, and they do not exactly meet the Cayman S's numbers, the egg is on Porsche face for releasing a new model that is 12 HP shy of the Z's but weighs 300 pounds less with PDK and still just narrowly best a car costing 30-40k less.

If the GTR had not blasted the 911s, then this would not be such a hot subject; no one would be expecting the Z to blow away the Cayman S. The GT-R set a benchmark in Nissan Porsche relations...

 

 

O.K. Snakebitten, I am not as cool as you on the posting thing so I just copied and pasted. Your comments are in italics and red, my new comments are bolded:

Originally Posted by Endgame
Yeah, but that E46 is going to cost how much in maintenance!!!

True true

I still think the Z34 will hold its own on the track... It will KILL the standard Cayman and come closer than we might think on the 320 HP Cayman S.

As has been stated ealier the Cayman S cost how much?? Porsche is the one on the hot seat!! The Z has the wind at its back. Even if Nissan said they were targeting the Cayman, and they do not exactly meet the Cayman S's numbers, the egg is on Porsche face for releasing a new model that is 12 HP shy of the Z's but weighs 300 pounds less with PDK and still just narrowly best a car costing 30-40k less.

There will be nothing narrow about the 320hp Cayman S victory over the 370z. I predict more than 2 sec difference between em. The fight between the last two was very similar to what these newer ones liook like on paper. Z 300hp vs Cayman 295hp. Z 3300+ Cayman S under 3000lbs. Result? Cayman S by 3.5 sec over the 06 Z at VIR same day, same driver.

This time around Cayman S is 320hp to the Z 332hp. Weight around the same for both. But that PDK will make the most of every pony in the Cayman S. Z doenst stand a chance. Ill gladly retract everything I said if this isnt so but something tells me it wont be necessary. Was this a standard Z or a Nismo Z they tested? Remember this new Z handles like the Nismo. So did the Cayman win on speed or handeling??? We might have a closer result than what you recalled above.... I HOPE you will have to retract, but even if you do not and you are right, again, the Cayman SHOULD be much better than the Z. Something tells me Porsche will be in for a shocker again a la GTR vs. 911s

If the GTR had not blasted the 911s, then this would not be such a hot subject; no one would be expecting the Z to blow away the Cayman S. The GT-R set a benchmark in Nissan Porsche relations...

If Nissan hadnt intimated that they were going to beat the Cayman S this would not be a hot subject LOL! I agree with that, but did they actually say they would best the Cayman S or did they just say they were targeting it?? Those are two different things....

 

Lol....It just seemed easier to address it that way for some reason. Aight...Anyway it was the regular Z they tested it against and I see your point and have adjusted my thinking accordingly I too hope Im dead wrong...Whats got me thinking this way mostly is that PDK coupled with that 320hp and 300lb+ weight difference...The Z doesnt have all that techy doodads like the GTR to overcome some of its disadvantages. So Im not expecting a GTR/911tt outcome.

I saw a PDK equipped NA 911 Carrera give a GTR a serious run for the money in a straightline. Thats what 385hp vs 480hp. With the hp much closer between the Z and Cayman S and the 300+lb difference I cant see the Z touching it at all. As good as the Z is at handling it shouldnt best the mid engined Cayman in that dept. All a bit of mildly educated speculation on my part nothing else.

 

I saw the 370Z in person at the "official" release at the first press day of the LA Auto show. I could not make the Edmunds early premiere party here in LA.

Love the looks of the car, the interior is nicer than the current 350Z but still not great.
The 3 pods placed on TOP of the center dash looks tacky and well tacked on.

Handling seems great, as expected, but am a BIT disappointed in the 332 hp rating.
Was fully expecting 340 hp minimum.
Also the straight line performance doesn't seem to live up to what it SHOULD be.
The best time I've seen for it so far in the car mags is
13.3 and the best trap speed of 106.

This car is should be faster.
Consider, I own a 335i.
It's 300+ lbs heavier and is "rated" at 32 hp less. When in reality with all the dynos we've done on the 335i it's pretty obvious it's really closer to 330 hp at the crank.
But even so, a stock 335i will (and does) do 13.3 @ 105-106 mph.

So with the 370Z to have equal (or maybe a few ponies more) power and 300 lbs less in weight, I would have EXPECTED no slower than 13.1 @ 108 mph even from the car mags.
I estimated 12.9 @ 109 when I "guessed" the power of the car would be AT LEAST 340 hp and the weight of the car would be 150 lbs less than the 350Z.
So the fact the car came in 8-10 hp less than I guessed and effectively 55 lbs heavier than I guessed, I still would of expected only a tenth or so longer at 1-2 mph slower than my guess.

Still a very quick car as it's time pretty much matches the stock 335i times and I know that's a quick car.
And at $30-36k the 370z is a bargain for that kind of performance.

Now I just wish the engine was smoother, since I've already read of it's vibration and harshness issues. What happened to the VQ engine? In my 2002 Maxima it was butter smooth. In my 2005 G35 it had become more harsh. And now it seems even more so.

Now we just need to see of the 7AT actually does outperform the 6MT car.

 

Haha!! That was fun, we should debate more often!!! Honestly, PDK will be quite the match for Nissan. I have a thought in the back of my head that you may be right. Like I said.. I HOPE you are wrong!!!

I am shocked that the GTR was having problems with that Carrera. Didn't the Turbo have PDK and the GTR handed it its pants?? Anyway, here's to keeping the dream alive!!!!