13.6 is way too high- the car can do (and will do) a lot better than that. I think it's just that before the debut it was all hyped up that it's going to be very noticably lighter and faster and now that reality has hit it's still faster but not that much lighter as everyone expected which = frustration.

As for HR owners- I dont recall any HR owner thinking they're car is faster (stock vs stock), you'd be stupid to think so. Considering the styling jury is still devided on the looks, weight is the same and performance is, yes faster, but by how much? if you owned a 07-08 would you upgrade for these numbers?

One could be forgiven for being dissapointed in the performance numbers.

 

Your statement is just ignorant. How old are you? Please educate yourself before you try to "educate" others.

The DE-HR difference is MUCH larger than the HR-VHR difference.

It's a fact.

Stock HR compared to rev-up with MREV2 lower collector gives the HR a FORTY HP advantage at one point in the HP curve. Torque is fatter too.

We have all seen the dynos from the 3.7 VHR since it has been out in the G37 for a year now. Yes, it has more power that the 3.5 HR, but only about 16-20 hp more on a dyno - aybe a couple more HP on the 370z. And it appears to have less torque than the 3.5 HR.

The main reason that the 370z acceleration times are better (0-60 and 1/4 mile) is that the 370 has a shorter final drive from the factory than the 350.

Go look around at myg37 dot com for VHR dynos.

To me, the most significant improvement from 350z - 370z has to do with increased chassis stiffness and much stronger cornering characteristics. We are talking .97-.99 from the factory. That's huge! The small increase in acceleration due to a shorter final drive and a little more power is much less significant.

And in case you doubt the facts, here is a dyno of my stock 07 6mt versus my wife's 06 6mt with Motordyne's MREV2 lower collector and 5/16th's spacer which gave her a HUGE increase in torque and a mild increase in hp that is reflected in her numbers.

 

You are exactly correct! A half second is HUGE!!

Everyone is blowing this out of wack... The HR guys would get HOT if they heard some of the reviews stating the Z weighed 3600 pounds, but get all hissy at the notion this Z is lighter. Just wow.

Stop hating!! The E92 M3 weighs more than the E46 but is a better performing and handling car!! The C6's weigh about as much as the C5's but perform better!! The Evo weighs about 200-300 pounds MORE than the Evo IX and DOES NOT perform better!!! Look at the other examples around you.

I was all about the weight at first, but I realize that the 370Z is a better performer all around (gas mileage wise also). It is more than fast enough in a straight line (for me at least) and will get around the track more expidiously than the HRs. What more could one want!

Looks are subjective, but stop the hating and give kudos where kudos are due. Apples for Apples, the 370Z will end up handing the Z33s their lunch bags back empty.

The 370Z is to the 350Z as the E92 M3 is to the E46 M3... evolved! That said, the Z35 will be VERY interesting six years from now if we still have sports cars....

 

I am not trying to be a hater. I like the 370 minus a few quirky design cueues. I can get over the design flaws for .97-.99g on the skidpad.

I would say comparing the performance boost from a 350 to a 370 to that of an E46 to E92 m3 is a bit of a stretch. A 414 hp V8 seriously trumps a 333 hp in-line 6. But a 332 hp v6 does not seriously trump a 306 hp v6. It's a marginal increase.

Handling-wise, the 370 is a big step up fro the 350. I just wish Nissan had an engine for the 370 to match it's new handling prowess.

I'll wait for a different engine choice before I trade in the HR z33 for a z34. I just hope the rumors of a v8 in the z34 come true. Then you could compare the 370 to an e92 M3.


BTW, the e46 was a heavier car than the e36 and it did NOT handle better.

 

The more I read about the 370z numbers the more I conclude to this:

the HR Z vs 370z will be the same thing as a AP1 S2k vs a AP2 S2k.

Not much difference but with a better driver it will be slightly faster, other then that, very close race. Maybe I'm biased though oh well, just a month or 2 to go test drive and find out!

 

So what are the epa numbers for the 370? Same as the 350?

 

if it handles so well then why according to this article "http://speedhunters.com/archive/2008/12/11/car-spotlight-gt-gt-mcr-and-mine-s-z34-s-at-tsukuba.aspx" the Mine's Z with lightweight 18 inch wheels , performance tires and light titanium exhaust pull off a time which in the article is in the 1:06 range when in this race

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this stock 07 Z with idk what size tires this model came with did a best time of 1:07.50 im sure with light weight wheels good tires and exhaust it would prob make a good difference. and we all know the nismo Zs are quicker than regular HRs . in the next videos the Nismo Z had a best time of 1:06.8 in the 1st and 1:06.9 in the 2nd vid
in my opinion there is not much difference between HR Z33 and Z34 so it all comes down to preference of looks which to me the 370Z is ugly to others its not, both great performing cars, but lets face it how many owners actually race their cars at a road course or drag strip quite often? not many, and not many will actually put either car to its full potential , for example eventhough the HR Zs are faster than DE Zs there are still people with stock DEs that beat Stock HRs . The car is what you make it out to be

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Exactly. The E46 was a slug in handling compared to the E36. The weight killed it.

 

You hit the nail on the head. If you took at HR 350z and swapped out the rear diff with an aftermarket one you would have virtually no difference between the 350z and 370z in a straight line. This race would come down to a better driver.

As someone else already said, the 370z is leaps and bounds better in the corners compared to the 350z but I wish they would have given an engine that was also much better rather than just slightly better. The power difference between the HR anv VHR isn't very much

 

lol who gives a f* that hr is slightly faster then de, in the end its still the same car with slightly upgraded motor, i never knew hr's were so proud of being better then de when in fact still the same ****

back to 370, performance is alittle better, handling and all, and imo in the end it will come down to looks and the badge that wont roll of your tounge as easy as 350

 

and btw lol dudes you all gotta relax, we are in the same nissan family, theres should be no fighting, you dont see 240's and 300's fighting with 350s n all that. we should all get along, some of us will move on to 370, but in the end we are still brothers with different cars

we should be fighting porsches and all other competitors not our own bros n sis's

 

same thing was said about the evo x, until they started playing with the motor, which is more responsive to mods than the legendary 4g63. give this motor a chance, the de was nice, hr is even better, now what do you think is gonna be the case with the vhr? wait till people start playing with boost

imho, why ditch a motor that is already great? for an n/a, especially a v6, it kicks some major ***. we can talk talk talk all we want, and believe the sometimes biased reviews, but until i see an actual company r&d it and put some mods in one, ill stand back and watch you guys bicker over a few numbers that will constantly change.

as for 1/4 mile times..it seems everybody dwells on them. let it go, they will always fluctuate. same with road course times. the fact that it is a better overall car than its predecessor is also a plus.

 

Every dyno day I've been to, the VQ37VHR dyno's a good 10-15 rwhp than the VQ35HR.

Some of you are delusional to believe that the 370Z will not easily out accelerate the 350Z (HR).

For you naysayers, lets assume the worst case in terms of weight: The 370Z weighs the same as the 07-08 350Z's. Now, its making a 10-15 more rwhp, and has more aggresive gearing.

Now, in terms of handling, I don't think anyone is questioning the fact that the 370Z will easily outhandle the 350Z.

There are some serious haters (and ignorant) people in here. Some of you bench racers read too much and have little to no experiece at the track and/or drag strip

 

Just did a chop of what benchracing might look like

 

You win! Bench-racing chop FTW!

We should all just get along. Long live the Z!

 

No one is doubting the 370 is faster then the 350. I think what some of the HR owners are trying to say is that the car is not worth the upgrade for us at the moment, maybe in a few years but not now.

Yes if you had an 03-04 with some of the tire feathering, oil consumption, high milege, wear and tear etc yes you'd upgrade to the 370 if you liked it. But if you had a 07-08 would you really look at a first year model car (with potential bugs), with questionable looks, similar weight for a pinch more displacement? 17kw and 8Nm isn't going to convince me to blow thousands in first year depreciation and trade in any time soon.

It's not about having the fastest car in the world- if it was we wouldn't be looking at Nissans. A few tenths of a second here and there shouldn't be why or why not you pick 350 over 370 or vice versa.

PS- to the passionate ones who think we're just jealous- yes, you got me, I'm so jealous. The 370 makes the 350 look like Camry, it's the best thing to happen to Nissan, comparing a factor that is favourable to the 350 is blasphemy etc etc (should help you sleep at night )

 

Plus the fact that 95 out of every 100 people who buy this car won't ever race it or use it in a track setting anyway, so they could care less about the numbers in everyday driving. Most people will just enjoy the fact that they have a relatively reasonably priced sports car which has excellent performance, a unique design, and will probably turn some heads depending where you are.

 

OMG!

 

Nice chair! Where can I get a Nismo chair like this?

 

Back to what I was saying...... The 370Z will eat up a 350 HR..

his and herz you are a straight up DUMB ***! You're acting as if 16-20 hp is nothing? LMFAO! Thats a giant difference... Lets not forget to mention like you said, shorter gearing...