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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by zher0
i own a lot of property in detroit, residential and commercial outside of town, 25 years old, pretty much i receive income from various streams, and it's nothing to buy a gtr if you invest in detroit, i tell you what a gtr is 80k, take a credit card, with 10k, buy one of my investments homes i can find you foreclosed for 5k, put 3k into it from home depot. it'll be worth 60k, sell it to some investor for 40k, let them keep the equity for them to pull a second mortgage, and you put down 5k, on the gtr. step two. take the 25k you have left repeat the process, buy another home, refi it, and buy three more, fix them up, rent them out to government home tenants you'll have the gtr, and the payments made and be worth 160k+ with three homes in detroit for a few lousy investments it's nothing just stop chilling in your cubical.
LOL! Yeah, let's all go flip houses overnight. Houses are selling like hotcakes right now!
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 12:50 AM
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I chose not to buy a GTR for a few years. To add to the comments of this thread, however, I'd like to mention that business ownership is a huge risk, but it is where the fastest, largest rewards lie. College educations are great for some people, but they aren't necessary for making a lot of money and enjoying what you do.

A few facts to consider:
Not one person that I know with income over $250k/yr is an employee
Not one person that I know with a 4-yr degree or grad degree earns nearly as much as many business owners I know, unless they are business owners themselves
Obviously, there is great personal financial risk and sacrifice required for this route and it is not for everyone
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mrg1981
LOL! Yeah, let's all go flip houses overnight. Houses are selling like hotcakes right now!
Yeah, but it sounds like he already has his own corperashun set up.
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mrg1981
I chose not to buy a GTR for a few years. To add to the comments of this thread, however, I'd like to mention that business ownership is a huge risk, but it is where the fastest, largest rewards lie. College educations are great for some people, but they aren't necessary for making a lot of money and enjoying what you do.

A few facts to consider:
Not one person that I know with income over $250k/yr is an employee
Not one person that I know with a 4-yr degree or grad degree earns nearly as much as many business owners I know, unless they are business owners themselves
Obviously, there is great personal financial risk and sacrifice required for this route and it is not for everyone
well said
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RxZ
He can not charge more, unless two things happen:

1) The majority of his customers are cash paying customers, and prefer his store and the higher prices over Walmart, CVS, etc and their 4 dollar generics

2) He somehow manages to negotiate an outstanding deal on the cost of medications he buys from his wholesaler thereby increasing his margins giving him more cash flow to be able to pay a pharmacist more (if this is the case though, most owners would just work themselves and pocket the extra money, that costs MUCH less than hiring a new pharmacist and having to pay all associated costs that go along with that)
He's not a retailer like CVS/Walgreens. A part of what they do is take the drugs and mix them into whatever their customers order (IV bags). Basically it's what the market can bear, if he charges too much his customers will find someplace else.
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 08:52 AM
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My friend that owns a GT-R is a professional athlete. He competes in Track and Field, and is sponsored by Nike.

I do pretty well, but could not possibly consider a GT-R. A tend to agree that a 200k+ salary would be required. I have no debt other than my home loan (less than $1500/month). Cars, credit cards, etc. are all paid off. I am well over 6 figures, but it would be a huge stretch at this point.
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mrg1981
A few facts to consider:
Not one person that I know with income over $250k/yr is an employee
must not know any lawyers (associates)
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by smokedout08
I can guarantee that South Texas is best paying for Walgreen's since my close friend is the PIC for the region. Big shortage as compared to North where saturation is much more evident, likewise in Houston.
I didn't say he would make more in East Texas than in South Texas. I said he would make more than being in Dallas.
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GZire
He's not a retailer like CVS/Walgreens. A part of what they do is take the drugs and mix them into whatever their customers order (IV bags). Basically it's what the market can bear, if he charges too much his customers will find someplace else.
Infusion therapy is a much different animal, and a great niche to fill so long as there is a local demand ( sounds like there is) And, government (Medicare/Medicaid) reimbursement for that stuff is pretty good. It is a great way to make a pharmacy money!
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Old Jan 27, 2009 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tsaulz
must not know any lawyers (associates)
All of the lawyers I know that make that kind of money are the owners of their own firm. If I really thought hard, I might be able to find 1 or 2 MD's or Esq.'s that make that money and are employees. I guess I don't honestly know everybody's income either, but I know a lot of them, due to my relationship with them. I know more attorneys than most ppl (my dad is one, but he made his money as an EVP, part owner) being that my company services a lot of law offices. Certainly the partners make really good money, but they are owners. I know dentists that are employees, but they make around $150k.
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Old Jan 27, 2009 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by zpak
So it sounds like the range for pharm is between $80k-110k. Thanks, guys.
In AZ, that range is (at 40hr/wk):
  • $106k - $155k/yr (institutional setting)
  • $114k - $170k/yr (community/retail)

At ASHP Midyear last month I caught up with a few fellow Directors who were GTR owners; the caveat being their wives were also pharmacists, attorneys or physicians bittersweet...

Interestingly, the 'economy' has contracted the RPh opportunities quite a bit, so for the first time in 8 years of Pharmacy practice, the wages appear to no longer be climbing at the annual 5 - 8% increase we've enjoyed for the last decade.

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Old Jan 27, 2009 | 08:35 PM
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You realize attorneys at big firms START at $160k in the Bay Area, right?
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Old Jan 27, 2009 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeDirtPharmD
In AZ, that range is (at 40hr/wk):
  • $106k - $155k/yr (institutional setting)
  • $114k - $170k/yr (community/retail)

At ASHP Midyear last month I caught up with a few fellow Directors who were GTR owners; the caveat being their wives were also pharmacists, attorneys or physicians bittersweet...

Interestingly, the 'economy' has contracted the RPh opportunities quite a bit, so for the first time in 8 years of Pharmacy practice, the wages appear to no longer be climbing at the annual 5 - 8% increase we've enjoyed for the last decade.
Are you a hospital pharmacy director?

As to your salary remark, I tried to get my wife to go to pharmacy instead of nursing; but oh well, she stays at home with kids now anyway
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Old Jan 27, 2009 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RxZ
Are you a hospital pharmacy director?

As to your salary remark, I tried to get my wife to go to pharmacy instead of nursing; but oh well, she stays at home with kids now anyway
Asst. DOP; manage one of the large inpatient facilities downtown. The real bummer is the 1hr. commute given the amount of traffic on the I-10 (recent install of the damn speed enforcement cameras did nothing to help the masses move any more consistently), however I enjoy the facility.

I sell out on the weekends for CVS - the extra $60/hr pays for the projects around the house (flooring, spa, etc.) and if anything else, a change of pace from the Mon - Fri administrative role.

With that in mind, I feel that community/retail Pharmacists are grossly overpaid, but I'll take it nonetheless It puts one within earning range of a GTR, but I lived on enough Ramen throughout undergrad and pharm school to be content on settling for a +500rwhp Z for the time being and enjoy well-rounded meals and vacation opportunities... LOL

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Old Jan 28, 2009 | 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeDirtPharmD
Asst. DOP; manage one of the large inpatient facilities downtown. The real bummer is the 1hr. commute given the amount of traffic on the I-10 (recent install of the damn speed enforcement cameras did nothing to help the masses move any more consistently), however I enjoy the facility.

I sell out on the weekends for CVS - the extra $60/hr pays for the projects around the house (flooring, spa, etc.) and if anything else, a change of pace from the Mon - Fri administrative role.

With that in mind, I feel that community/retail Pharmacists are grossly overpaid, but I'll take it nonetheless It puts one within earning range of a GTR, but I lived on enough Ramen throughout undergrad and pharm school to be content on settling for a +500rwhp Z for the time being and enjoy well-rounded meals and vacation opportunities... LOL
Word...

Congrats on the job. It is always good moving up in the world. I know what you mean about the part time thing paying for the fun, I do that as well.
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Old Jan 28, 2009 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by GQ 350z
You realize attorneys at big firms START at $160k in the Bay Area, right?
Which they need just to buy a small downtown condo.
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Old Jan 28, 2009 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeDirtPharmD
Asst. DOP; manage one of the large inpatient facilities downtown. The real bummer is the 1hr. commute given the amount of traffic on the I-10 (recent install of the damn speed enforcement cameras did nothing to help the masses move any more consistently), however I enjoy the facility.

I sell out on the weekends for CVS - the extra $60/hr pays for the projects around the house (flooring, spa, etc.) and if anything else, a change of pace from the Mon - Fri administrative role.

With that in mind, I feel that community/retail Pharmacists are grossly overpaid, but I'll take it nonetheless It puts one within earning range of a GTR, but I lived on enough Ramen throughout undergrad and pharm school to be content on settling for a +500rwhp Z for the time being and enjoy well-rounded meals and vacation opportunities... LOL
Although, I have not finished yet (one more yr) I completely agree in that retail pharmacist are overpayed. They have the techs do most of the work. I will be doing a residency in pediatrics hopefully and love the clinical part of pharmacy. And yes, you are not lying about the damn ramen noodles, Im so tired of them....
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Here's another candidate.

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Originally Posted by mrg1981
I chose not to buy a GTR for a few years. To add to the comments of this thread, however, I'd like to mention that business ownership is a huge risk, but it is where the fastest, largest rewards lie. College educations are great for some people, but they aren't necessary for making a lot of money and enjoying what you do.

A few facts to consider:
Not one person that I know with income over $250k/yr is an employee
Not one person that I know with a 4-yr degree or grad degree earns nearly as much as many business owners I know, unless they are business owners themselves
Obviously, there is great personal financial risk and sacrifice required for this route and it is not for everyone
Most of the people I know make that kind of money selling software for EMC, IBM and HP.

Many VPs for insurance companies make that kind of money as well.

Yes, your right, I would never work for anyone again as I've been self -employed for the last 5 years.
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Old Feb 2, 2009 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by plumpzz
i run a corporashun from my house. I own it, but my parents live in it. I'm ripped. Oh, and I haz cheezburger. This year was tough, I only profited 2.8mil. Next year I hope to break 100- billion.
I know a prince in Nigeria who has a business opportuniy for you.

Originally Posted by dave079
Good advice in this thread. I am sure many who have purchased the GTR (definitely not all) cant really afford it. Every day driving around I see people in 100k BMW's, Mercedes, etc and I wonder how so many people can afford to drive this.
They don't necessarily buy the car sometimes. I live in LA, which crawls with BMWs and MBs, and people always have the newest one. German car companies have insanely good lease deals. For a few grand down and a few hundred a month, you get the latest and greatest. 16k down and 2.5k a month can get you in a F430 Spyder for 24 months. Leverage the lease as a business expense, and voila.

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i own a lot of property in detroit, residential and commercial outside of town, 25 years old, pretty much i receive income from various streams, and it's nothing to buy a gtr if you invest in detroit, i tell you what a gtr is 80k, take a credit card, with 10k, buy one of my investments homes i can find you foreclosed for 5k, put 3k into it from home depot. it'll be worth 60k, sell it to some investor for 40k, let them keep the equity for them to pull a second mortgage, and you put down 5k, on the gtr. step two. take the 25k you have left repeat the process, buy another home, refi it, and buy three more, fix them up, rent them out to government home tenants you'll have the gtr, and the payments made and be worth 160k+ with three homes in detroit for a few lousy investments it's nothing just stop chilling in your cubical.
Easier said than done. Some of the property I see in Detroit is listed for 1 or 2k, so kind of a tough sell.
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