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Bone stock 370 + Stillen HFC & CBE + reflash/tune = +51whp!?!?

Old 05-14-2009, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
that doesn't matter, it doesn't make a difference in power gained, only in the final power number.



you can pm him for this, i'm not sure if he ever posted a chart, he either posted this info in one of his thread or pm'd it to me.
Actually wrong. Since the auto has a higher drivetrain loss, the higher the HP is the more loss he will actually have vs a 6mt. The 6mt will show more gains vs a auto with the same bolt ons.
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ok, your right, a 6mt will gain 3-5 % of the 53whp total gain, thats 1.59 to 2.65. you're really splitting hairs here. fact of the matter is, the vhr responds significantly better to mods than the hr
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
ok, your right, a 6mt will gain 3-5 % of the 53whp total gain, thats 1.59 to 2.65. you're really splitting hairs here. fact of the matter is, the vhr responds slightly better to mods than the hr
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an hr with the same mods would gain about 30 (if that) whp, this gained 51, thats 20 hp more, thats significant in my book. how about you do a test for us, you already have hfc's, so don't put on your injen before the exhaust. then we can all see the gain. btw, how much did you gain over stock with the hfc's and tune?

also, on a side note, A.H has test pipes, this guy got hfc's...
Old 05-14-2009, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
an hr with the same mods would gain about 30 (if that) whp, this gained 51, thats 20 hp more, thats significant in my book. how about you do a test for us, you already have hfc's, so don't put on your injen before the exhaust. then we can all see the gain. btw, how much did you gain over stock with the hfc's and tune?

also, on a side note, A.H has test pipes, this guy got hfc's...
Really? I gained 13 rwhp and 17 tq from just HFCs and a tune. So you are saying with intake, fulll dual exhaust, I won't gain over another 17 rwhp? Laugh. Sorry but there is a lot more to gain than 30rwhp and A.H. is living proof of that.
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not with the intake, just exhaust. the vhr in the op only has hfc, exhaust, and tune, no intake
Old 05-14-2009, 05:03 PM
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Well something isn't right then. This guy has more mods, but no tune it seems but has 51rwhp gains.

Here is another 370z with these mods and it did 54 rwhp.

http://www.t h e 3 7 0 z.com/intake-exhaust/4328-full-stillen-bolt-setup-videos.html

310WHP(+54) 230WTQ(+26) (Mustang Dyno)
Stillen G3 Intakes | Stillen CBE | Stillen Oil Cooler | Stillen Headers | Stillen HFC | Stillen Pulley


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Also A.H gained almost 60rwhp from his mods on a auto. So how is that less than the VHR?

https://my350z.com/forum/vq35hr/3819...os-inside.html
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How many times does this damn horse have to be beaten.
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Good explanation here: Copy and Paste:

I think the 5AT found in the Z is relatively efficient, when compared to the 6MT. Since most 6MT HRs dyno around 265-270, and if you convert the 306 crank hp of the HR to the old standard, which is around 313-315hp, the 6MT has a drivetrain loss of anywhere from 14-16%. The 5AT HRs seem to dyno around 250-255, which under the same standards as the 6MT calculation just used, would represent around a 18-20% drivetrain loss.

On the OP's dyno, if all else were kept equal, and the only difference being the transmission, the 6MT would potentially read about 2-6% more. Anywhere from 6-19whp more. If you pick the middle percentage of 4%, it would equate to about 12whp. Keep in mind that this only applies to this particular dyno.
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
Also A.H gained almost 60rwhp from his mods on a auto. So how is that less than the VHR?

https://my350z.com/forum/vq35hr/3819...os-inside.html
yeah, but he also has headers and cai (both of which add a good amount of power), and this vhr only has hfc's and exhaust...
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Originally Posted by 0jiggy0
How many times does this damn horse have to be beaten.
Till the VHR nuthuggars stop thinking it gains a ton more than the HR which it is obvious it does not.
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
Good explanation here: Copy and Paste:

I think the 5AT found in the Z is relatively efficient, when compared to the 6MT. Since most 6MT HRs dyno around 265-270, and if you convert the 306 crank hp of the HR to the old standard, which is around 313-315hp, the 6MT has a drivetrain loss of anywhere from 14-16%. The 5AT HRs seem to dyno around 250-255, which under the same standards as the 6MT calculation just used, would represent around a 18-20% drivetrain loss.

On the OP's dyno, if all else were kept equal, and the only difference being the transmission, the 6MT would potentially read about 2-6% more. Anywhere from 6-19whp more. If you pick the middle percentage of 4%, it would equate to about 12whp. Keep in mind that this only applies to this particular dyno.
your math is a little off, you have to do the 2-6% on the gain, not the total power. 60 gained whp on an auto would equal 1.2 - 3.6 whp, the difference is minimal
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Originally Posted by Carbon-Z
Till the VHR nuthuggars stop thinking it gains a ton more than the HR which it is obvious it does not.
not a ton more, but it gains a good amount more...
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
your math is a little off, you have to do the 2-6% on the gain, not the total power. 60 gained whp on an auto would equal 1.2 - 3.6 whp, the difference is minimal
That does not include different gear ratios, etc. Sorry but there will be a bit more gains from a manual vs a auto than that.
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
not a ton more, but it gains a good amount more...
I see no difference in gains. Did you ignore the 60rwhp gains that A.H got?!
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he got those with ALL THE BOLT ON'S AVAILABLE for the HR. this guy got 51 whp with ONLY HFC, EXHAUST, AND A TUNE
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So 9 hp from intake and headers? Headers gives no gains, and so do the pulleys on the HR. Different products give different gains. So you can't say the VHR gains more than the HR as there is no proof on that.
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here we go again...
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Originally Posted by singh
how does porsche make 415 horsepower out of their NA 6-cylinder?
PFM.. I am sure it has to do the the Boxer engine

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