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Old 08-27-2005 | 05:36 PM
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Lately I've been doing a lot of highway travel....about 240 miles a day. On the average day I pass 3 radar traps.

I have the Passport SRX Laser "shifter" system and a black Z, which I believe helps me. (I know some of you will argue this)

The following site gives some tips: http://www.blinder.dk/sml.htm

Anyway....I have a question and was wondering if anyone knows: If the laser shooter is targeting the headlights, would taping them with some sort of non-reflective tape prevent the laser shooter from getting a good reading ? What else could they aim at (from the front) that would give them a good reading ? (we have no front license plate in my state)
Old 08-27-2005 | 05:49 PM
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On our cars they are more than likely aiming at our headlights since that will reflect the best specially on dark cars like yours.
Old 08-28-2005 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jcn30127
Lately I've been doing a lot of highway travel....about 240 miles a day. On the average day I pass 3 radar traps.

I have the Passport SRX Laser "shifter" system and a black Z, which I believe helps me. (I know some of you will argue this)

The following site gives some tips: http://www.blinder.dk/sml.htm

Anyway....I have a question and was wondering if anyone knows: If the laser shooter is targeting the headlights, would taping them with some sort of non-reflective tape prevent the laser shooter from getting a good reading ? What else could they aim at (from the front) that would give them a good reading ? (we have no front license plate in my state)
I have the laser blinder installed on my ZR and find that it works flawlessly. On a recent road trip I had several encounters where I was travelling at 140Km/hr + where the speed limit was 100Km/hr. The blinder worked as advertized, allowing me to reduce speed and then turn it off so that the cops could get a reading at a reasonable speed.

As for reducing reflectivity of the headlights you might investigate this coating, which is supposed to reduce it by 50% or more.

http://www.radarbusters.com/products/coatings/veil.asp

I have not used this, so this is not an endorsement. with my blinder, I don't see the need.

Cheers.
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Thanks !!
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Just to give you guys a law enforcement side of this story....

When we go out for speedtraps and laser is deployed, we are aiming for anything flat so the front bumper is a great target.

.......and to be completely honest with you guys, I have YET to see an effective product against laser speed detection. Once the beam is on you there is not much you can do.

Good Luck, Drive Safe
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My Escort SRX sends out a signal to confuse the laser.

https://my350z.com/forum/attachment....chmentid=53948

It has activated many many times. I swear it works, otherwise I'd have received many more tickets.

I will say that it buys me time....that if the laser shooter has enough time, he can get a reading.

I use a bra (on highway travel), that is dull black and might confuse the laser...I dunno.

I also believe that their is different types or brands of laser guns and that my avoidance system works better against certain types than others. I say this because of the different times my system takes to warn me (and activate the jamming response).
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there was actually a really good episode of myth busters on tonight about stopping radar. none of the things they tried (black car, distractors, leds, etc) stopped the radar.

i believe that it all stems back to 'steath' technology. the less sides for reflection the less the radar will work. the Z is probably a lot harder to catch on radar then an 88' ford pos...but no matter what radar will get yah
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Originally Posted by seanlaw
there was actually a really good episode of myth busters on tonight about stopping radar. none of the things they tried (black car, distractors, leds, etc) stopped the radar.

i believe that it all stems back to 'steath' technology. the less sides for reflection the less the radar will work. the Z is probably a lot harder to catch on radar then an 88' ford pos...but no matter what radar will get yah
Radar jamming = illegal

Laser jamming = legal

Radar detection and warning ........V1 and Escort do this very well. Advanced warning allows the driver to slow down before the cop can get a good reading.

Laser detection and jamming ...... a lot of people will debate the jamming abilities of different brand systems....but detection and advanced warning is better than nothing at all.


Question: Concerning RADAR (and not Laser). If the USAF has stealth aircraft that can avoid radar, then why can't the same technology apply to vehicles ??

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Old 09-09-2005 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by seanlaw
there was actually a really good episode of myth busters on tonight about stopping radar. none of the things they tried (black car, distractors, leds, etc) stopped the radar.

i believe that it all stems back to 'steath' technology. the less sides for reflection the less the radar will work. the Z is probably a lot harder to catch on radar then an 88' ford pos...but no matter what radar will get yah
Haha, I was just going to say the same thing... mythbusters did the same things tonight
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Originally Posted by jcn30127
Radar jamming = illegal

Laser jamming = legal
hmmm didn't know that....interesting topic
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RAM - Radar Absorbant Material.

Isn't going to help a lick with laser but might with radar if you were to coat the inside of your front plastic bumper form. The hood is sloped way back as are the A pillars.

I don't know if you can even buy the stuff but I know that when I was in the military the stuff was expensive. Think Dynamat at nearly $100 a square foot! It's got to be loads cheaper as that was a dog's age ago. You wouldn't need a whole bunch - a few square feet.
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I have used the srx for almost 3 years now, it was in my maxima, and now it is in the z. the only thing is that had to buy the ZR3 shifter kit to replace the front shifter units because they got pretty beat-up over time. This system is the best. http://www.passportsr1.com/srx.htm
Old 09-11-2005 | 10:49 PM
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on the market for one so i guess ill keep an eye on this thread
Old 09-12-2005 | 03:53 AM
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I have the escort ZR3 & radar combo and it is effective. Mythbusters tried the "homemade" myths, they did not try things that really work.
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Originally Posted by jcn30127
Radar jamming = illegal

Laser jamming = legal

Radar detection and warning ........V1 and Escort do this very well. Advanced warning allows the driver to slow down before the cop can get a good reading.

Laser detection and jamming ...... a lot of people will debate the jamming abilities of different brand systems....but detection and advanced warning is better than nothing at all.


Question: Concerning RADAR (and not Laser). If the USAF has stealth aircraft that can avoid radar, then why can't the same technology apply to vehicles ??

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Actually, Laser jamming is illegal as well. Thats why all the legal products out there call themselves laser "shifters". It's legal to confuse the laser for a brief moment, but illegal to jam it completely. I'm sure a cop would come after you too if he couldn't get any readout at all from his gun. That would be very suspicious....

BTW: The way that the stealth airplanes avoid radar is by the triangular shapes of the sides. This dramatically descreases the effectiveness of radar. They are still able to pick up the plane on radar, but only at very short distances. This gives the airplane a chance to maneuver in and out of radar fields which were once all overlapping one another.

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Originally Posted by krnlikewh0a
Actually, Laser jamming is illegal as well. Thats why all the legal products out there call themselves laser "shifters".
Are you sure about that?

Radar jammers are illegal because the most effective way to jam radar is to emit a radio signal on the same frequency wavelength that confuses the radar gun.. unfortunately, emitting an unregulated radio signal for a certain distance and strength means breaking FCC laws and that's why radar jammers are illegal.. Sort of like getting mobsters on tax evasion

I can't think of the reason to regulate laser emissions yet... but I'm sure someone has a bill somewhere..

--mike
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Depending on your location, it can vary. Even still, most states are joining the others in banning sale, possession, and use of laser jammers.
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Can you name the specific locations?

I believe radar jammers that emit a radio signal are illegal on a Federal level.. all states.. no exceptions..

Radar detectors are banned in Virginia and DC
In New York, radar detectors are illegal for commercial vehicles over 18,000lbs.
In IIlinois, radar detectors are only regulated in commercial vehicles.

Those are the only states that I know that have special radar detector laws.. dunno if that includes laser shifters.. but i'm sure if you get caught for speeding in those states the officers wouldn't be too friendly towards your laser shifter.. The cops in my state have seen my shifter and could care less..

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Old 09-12-2005 | 08:20 PM
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So far, the states are:
California
District of Columbia
Minnesota
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Utah
Virginia

I know that there are many more states with specific laws, but these are the ones as of 2004. Colorado I think recently jumped on board the bandwagon as well.
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jcn30127, go to www.radartest.com . That is the best unbiased site I have come across on speed-detection technology. They have excellent articles on laser and radar detection as well as tips on avoiding detection, plus comprehensive reviews of nearly all detectors and jammers currently on the market.

In fact, I was just on there today and saw a laser jammer they gave five stars to, being the only one to jam laser at near point blank range.

Keep in mind though, that if the laser is aimed at the lights, they might still get a good reading. Read as much on that site as possible and educate yourself.


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