Using the same brand, like DLS or CDT, I'm trying to decide between a 3-way system with the woofer in the door and the mid and tweet in the kick panel, or a 2-way with the woofer in the door and the tweet either in the kick, door by the woofer, or attenuated in the sail panel.

The 3 way will be more complicated, so is the extra work to run the wire through the door connector worth it?

Any ideas?

 

Depends on the speaker. Have a listen to the two-ways and then the three-ways. I find that the coax are good enough for me and skip on the triaxial speakers. Inside the car you're only getting a simulation of a real stereo system to begin with as the darn motor makes so much noise as to drown out much of the music.

You only need one pair of wires run to the speakers as the crossovers are built-in to coax and triax speakers. Component speakers have two parts, extra wires and an external crossover which can be mounted in the door using the factory wire to the door or in the kickpanels or elsewhere running your own wires into the door.

 

2 ways are supposedly better cuz they separate the audio range. Ideally, woofer mid and tweeters should all be separate for the best sound.

 

Both setups can sound as close to perfect as you can get in a car .

That said ... the 3 way out there are generally better engineered and will sound better than most 2 way setups.

Is it worth the increase in price ... no, not to me (remeber, you are in a car with a noise floor above that of most metal stamping plants). I would spend the money on a good 2 way set at a nice set of kick panels for a great installation.

 

ditto on waht Jim said...the main advantage of any well engineered 3 way set is the smoothness and clarity of the midrange, having a dedicated speakres to produce it, it takes load off the bigger midbass.

on the Z though, i will always maintain the achilles heal is the stock door location. the in ability to get a sealed area (window that cuts down right beindt he speaker forbids any type of cup enclosure), the half open grille, and general buzzing of hte door panel is horrible...

so in the Zs i have done, for the owners that are looking for very good SQ...i have dont two things:

1. kick panel housing DLS 2 way comps

2. Nazar's door pods housing DLS 3 way's midbass, and kick panel with the midrange and tweet sunken in

both have produced good results, one will be more expensive than the other...

midbass on the kick two way option has been better, while midrange smoothness is better on the 3 way set up, in addition to not loosing the dead pedal

b

 

Do you have any pictures of what you do behind the stock kick panel when you sink the mid and tweet into it? How much room is there behind those panels? I'm want to the the same with my components but haven't had a chance to pull those panels off.

Thanks!

Jake

 

I don't think there would be sufficient room stock for anything but the tweet in the kick (especially the driver side). You would most likely have to build them out.

BTW: I don't see how you guys are able to perform a "3-way up front." How do you find the room for the girls to move around?

 

Check out pics three and four in this thread http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28907 . . . those are the stock kicks modified for the mids and tweets; done by 16psibrick. This is what I'm looking to do.

Dosen't look raised at all to me . . . so I'm wondering how much room is really back there.

Jake

 

You gotta switch to Asian girls .... 5' 95lbs is a nice and tossable size

 

I actually have a G coupe but posted here because there seems to be more action here than on Driver. No one has come out with speaker pods for the G yet.

 

Oh yeah, I've seen those pics before. Probably fits well because of the smaller (looks to be 3"?) mid. Some guys on here have done 6.5" down there which would def need some mod'ing.

One set I was considering awhile back because of the small mid/tweet combo is the Eclipse SC8365 http://www.eclipse-web.com/component/sc8365.html

 

there is plent of room for the DLS ultimate midranges...

the UP and the UR middrange will fit with not a single problem, they are very shallow.

the iridium midrange will need you to tug ont he wring behind there a bit, or better yet, cut one of the little wire ties holding hte main wiring loom in place and push it to hte side by about an inch and then you are fine

most dedicated midranges are 2 to 3.5" FYI

look on my home page www.simplicityinsound.com and you should see half a dozen or so Zs and Gs with three ways upfront

b

 

unlike the Z, i believe there is no need for a pod on the G.

ther eis plenty of clerarece infront of the driver if you shave off the little ring, and plenty of space behind the driver. I usually put in a cup to give the speaker a semi sealed enclosure to produce great midbass

such as this install:

http://g35driver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103270

b

 

Lucky G owners! Looks like they don't have to deal with the curvature of the Z doors and can push out the spacer quite a bit more. That padding behind the 6.5 doesn't impede the window at all?

Excellent install I must say. Even more impressive is that truck in your signature on the other site with the 6.5 and tweet in the kick. What DLS setup is that?

 

2-way systems are capable of sounding as good, or even better than 3-way systems. Therefore why spend the extra time and money trying to install a 3-way system when you can achieve the same goal with a 2-way system.

 

point source location of mid and tweet, equalizing distance of components, getting components out of the crappy door panel install, seperating frequency range so that the mid-bass driver only handles low freqs, etc.

 

A 3 way will sound better in most situations since the midrange (now smaller) can be located better AND is no longer laboring with the mid-bass reproduction.

That said ... I'll quote myself again for emphasis

 

Even in the factory door panels and using kicks w/ 5.25 I have found that a 3 way sound's much better than a 2 way. Did I spend the money on a 3 way setup yes I did, and I would do it again in a heartbeat. Trying to get a decent amount of midbass and not affect the midrange is very difficult in a speaker that does not use a actual enclosure. Using a 3 way lets you set the 6.5 to play down low and up to about 220 and then allows the 5.25 or 4" to really concentrate from there up to 3.2k. It is just a much cleaner sound in the Z's. I have the H701 from alpine setup in my car so I have tried mine setup 2 way only with the kicks. I have tried it 2 way from the door's and stock tweeter location. I have tried it 2 way from the door and kick tweeter location. I have tried it 2 way from kick and factory tweeter location. I always end up going back to my 3 way setup because the clarity and detail is just so much better.