EdgeOfSanity

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i'm curious as to what the z did and what other cars it beat.

gsazabi

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I'm not sure if they timed Z through the 'Ring.
But I'm pretty damn sure it will be well over 8 minutes for the Z.


For your info, here are the unofficial lap times from article in Motor Trend


Porsche Carrera GT - 7min 32sec
Corvette Z06 - 7min 42sec
Porsche 996 GT2 - 7min 42sec
Pagani Zonda S - 7min 44sec
Lamborghini Murcielago - 7min 50sec
Lamborghini Gallardo - 7 min 52sec
Mercedes-McLaren SLR - 7min 52sec
Corvette C6 - 7min 59sec
Porsche 911 - 8min 07sec
Dodge Viper GTS - 8min 10sec

*Lap record is 6min 11sec by Porsche 956 F1 car in 1983.
After its near fatal crash, they stopped timing F1 cars.
I'm sure with current F1 technology, it'll be under 5min.

EdgeOfSanity

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found the times if anyone is interested, z is faster than the s2k by 13 seconds.
7:06 --- BMW M3 GTR, 24hrs, test session, Jörg Müller (2003)
7:18.1-- Donkervoort D8 RS (12/2004)
7:19 --- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003), >>> Link
7:20* -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:25 --- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl, Autobild July 2004 >>> Link
7:32.4 -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:32.5 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (2001) >>> Link
7:36 --- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:40* -- Porsche Carrera GT, *estimated time on cold and partially wet track (2003)
7:40 --- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig, Autobild July 2004 >>> Link
7:42 --- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- TechArt GT Street (2001)
7:43 --- Porsche 996 911 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine, 2002)
7:44 --- Pagani Zonda C12S (07/2003)
7:45 --- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 (12/2000)
7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999)
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (08/2003)
7:50 --- Blitz Supra, 750 PS, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (1993)
7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (06/2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995)
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (12/2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (06/2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Honda NSX-R - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette CE Z06 >>> link
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)
7:57 --- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600 PS, racing suspension
7:59 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Performance Chassis) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:02 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Sport PASM setting) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:03 --- Porsche 996 GT3 (1999)
8:04 --- Lamborghini Diablo GT (07/2000)
8:05 --- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 (12/2002)
8:05 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Normal PASM setting)(Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:06 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG
8:06 --- Caterham 7 Superlight R, Robert Nearn
8:06 --- Subaru Impreza Sti spec C - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
8:07 --- Ferrari 550 Maranello (06/1998)
8:09 --- Honda NSX-R 3.2 (08/2002)
8:09 --- Ferrari 360 Modena (10/1999)
8:09 --- Lamborghini Diablo SV (no ABS?)
8:10 --- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411PS, UK-Spec, no ABS (10/1997)
8:10 --- Donkervoort D8 180R
8:11 --- Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (video here)
8:12 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (04/2002)
8:12 --- Porsche 993 Turbo
8:13 --- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS (05/1999)
8:13 --- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 PS (10/2004)
8:13 --- BMW M5 (E60) (12/2004)
8:15 --- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 PS
8:15*-- Holden GTS (2000), *estimated
8:15 --- Porsche 911 Carrera 2 (997) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:16 --- AC-Schnitzer E36 M3 CLS II, 350 PS (11/1997)
8:16 --- AC Schnitzer Z4 V8 Topster (01/2005)
8:17 --- Aston Martin Vanquish (2003)
8:17 --- Porsche 996 C2
8:18 --- BMW Z8, 400 PS (08/2000)
8:18 --- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (09/2003)
8:18 --- Ferrari F355 (06/1997)
8:20 --- Audi RS6 (2002)
8:22 --- BMW E46 M3 (12/2000)
8:22 --- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS (10/1998)
8:22 --- Mercedes-Benz C55 (07/2004)
8:23 --- Aston Martin DB7 GT (2003)
8:23 --- Porsche 996 Carrera 4
8:24 --- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (2004)
8:25 --- Audi RS4 375 HP
8:25 --- Callaway C12
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI (11/1999)
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (11/2002)
8:26 --- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG (05/2001)
8:26 --- Nissan 350Z (2003)
8:28 --- BMW M5, 400 PS(also confirmed by Motor Commodore magazine, 2000)
8:28 --- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- Porsche 993 Carrera 2
8:29 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG (05/2000)
8:29 --- Audi S4 4.2 Avant (11/2003)
8:30 --- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa (10/2002)
8:31 --- Ferrari F355 GTS, 380 PS
8:32 --- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS (09/1997)
8:32 --- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (05/2003)
8:32 --- Porsche Boxster S
8:32 --- Volkswagen Golf R32
8:34 --- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS (04/2001)
8:35 --- BMW M3 Coupe, 321 PS
8:35 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé (02/2002)
8:35 --- BMW 130i >>> Link
8:36 --- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (07/1999)
8:37 --- Maserati 3200GT (2002)
8:37 --- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG (09/2001)
8:37 --- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo
8:37 --- Honda NSX 3.0 (07/1991)
8:38 --- Honda NSX 3.2 (08/1997)
8:38 --- Mercedes Benz SL500 (12/2001)
8:38 --- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296 PS
8:38 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8 (12/1998)
8:39 --- Honda S2000 (01/2000)
8:39 --- Morgan Aero 8 (04/2003)
8:40 --- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5 Targa Automatic (07/1997)
8:41 --- Aston Martin DB7 (1999)
8:41 --- Audi S3, 210 PS (06/1999)
8:42 --- Audi S4, 265 PS (08/1998)
8:42 --- Lotus Exige (11/2000)
8:43 --- Honda Integra Type R (12/2000)
8:44 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5
8:45 --- Chevrolet Corvette, 339 PS, automatic
8:46 --- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS (11/2001)
8:49 --- Jaguar XKR Coupe (07/1998)
8:49 --- Renault Clio Sport V6
8:49 --- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS (11/1998)
8:50* -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (2000)
8:51 --- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG (02/1998)
8:52 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 430
8:58 --- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (07/1991)
9:09 --- Volkswagen Golf V6 4Motion

Zilvia

iTrader: (1)

The new Top time is held by a Radical SR8

ill have to get the lap time once im back home....bu is in the new evo mag(British car mag)

EdgeOfSanity

iTrader: (1)

yeah, i dont think this is the most updated list. Seems to be up through 04.

mavtais

iTrader: (12)

Holy $#!+ the Z clocked a time 2 seconds faster than the M5!!! :O

EdgeOfSanity

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old m5

maXmood

iTrader: (16)

where can i get the updated list??

Manu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times

http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?fID...3&viewThread=y

The 2nd might not be totally up to date, but there are links to youtube videos and other articles.

*Boose*

iTrader: (3)

wikipedia shows the most current.

maXmood

iTrader: (16)

why there isn't any other Z than 2003?

Ataru074

iTrader: (19)

because in europe nobody gives a $hit about the Z...
(actually nissan marketing is really **** poor there and for some stupid reason the pricing isn't competitive as in the US)

350Zenophile

iTrader: (20)

6:56.4-- 2002 Acura RSX, Muffler removed (08/2009)

Manu

That is for all cars sold in Europe. I paid the equivalent of USD 45K for my 35th ann. Z..

In Europe, the Z is comparable in price to a 335 coupe in the US.

You guys have it good in the US

warmmilk

iTrader: (5)

faster than a ferrari 355 and a 992 C2, not bad

considering the power bump the 07 got, the gap should be a bit wider now...

Jun

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www.wikipedia.org

guitarist

iTrader: (1)

The problem with using the Ring as a benchmark is that there are SOOOOOO many variables.

The same driver would have a hard time turning the same time in the same car on two different days due to things like weather, traffic, etc - remember it's a 12+ mi loop (Nordschleife).

Differences on the order of 30 seconds may be meaningful, but it's not too hard to imagine that small differences on the order of 5-10 seconds or even a little more (over a 7-9 min lap) could be accounted for simply by the conditions on that day.

thinking

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Plus, the variances due to different drivers

Ataru074

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when they run the full lap usually they shutdown the track to the public
but you're absolutely correct about the track condition... the area of the ring is so wide that isn't weird to have sun on one side and foggy and damp on the other.
but that at the end is true for every track on the planet... or you run the testing at the same time, the same day or you're going to induce some variation just for the tarmac and air temperature change.

even if most of the ring drivers are absolute level professionals, their feel with the car and their condition could make some difference...

and the biggest different comes (unofficially of course) from advertisement... most of them aren't independent test, are magazine test and for how usually is there... you can push a little harder if the car comes from a big payer or lift a little bit earlier if comes from somebody that doesn't pay your bills.

sad to say that in Italy is absolutely normal.. maybe the germans are a little bit more professionals but their nation pride is so strong that I wouldn't bet about that.

maXmood

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tho i agree with the above said, but the ring is almost accurate in terms of comparison. otherwise, there wouldn't be any benchmark to rely on.