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Old Oct 1, 2008 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by betamotorsports
This is a mistaken assumption that seems to flow all around the internet. Again, all of the wheel loads go through the wheel studs and the wheel nuts. There are no loads taken by the center hole in the wheel and the centering extension in the hub.

Shear forces are taken by the wheel/hub face interface through friction and through the wheel studs. Tension forces are taken by the wheel stud and wheel nuts. Compression forces are taken the wheel/hub interface.
With hub-centric, then there is only shear forces from the difference in rotation speeds between the wheel and the hub (quite a bit of which is actually handled by the static friction between the wheel and hub). The center bore takes all of the forces trying to offset the axes of rotation between the wheel and hub (e.g. "off center"). When the car is sitting still, this would be the weight of the car transferred through the hub to the wheels via the center bore on the wheel. When moving, you get the forces of braking and acceleration trying to slide the wheel towards the front and rear of the car. With hub-centric wheels, virtually none of these forces are directed as shear to the lug studs and nuts. In fact, you could even (VERY carefully) drive the car on hub-centric wheels with loose lug nuts (or even none, since the center bore is handling the forces of mass) (WARNING: PLEASE DO NOT TRY THIS, AS YOU WILL LIKELY LOSE THE WHEELS VERY QUICKLY!).

On the other hand, with lug-centric wheels, you MUST have the lugs tight at all times, otherwise the wheel will move, causing the lug holes to "machine" themselves large enough to pull the lug nut through. I HAVE SEEN THIS HAPPEN!!!
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Old Oct 1, 2008 | 11:11 PM
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I got a set of aluminum hucentric rings. The last set of plastic ones I had melted from the brake heat.

I bough them here. RavSpec
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 04:50 AM
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After reading this thread,,,that put the appropriate level of fear into me...I finally ordered some ARP wheel studs from SPL.... Now Just need to get off my Laze butt and install them next weekend.

( I track about once a month on R-comps)


Originally Posted by kuah@splparts.com
We can break down all the loads seen by the wheel/hub:

1. rotational acceleration/deceleration/torque of the wheel is a shear load on the wheel studs

2. side loads on the tire (from cornering) is a tensile (stretch) load on the wheel studs

3. vertical loads (ie. car's weight on that corner) would normally not be on the wheel studs if the wheel is hub-centric. If the wheel is not hub-centric, then this load gets taken on by the wheel studs as a shear force

OEMs would normally have a good safety factor for wheel studs, but adding on the vertical load, increased acceleration/deceleration and side loads from racing tires/brakes, and your safety factor shrinks. It is not a stretch to see that it would not be as safe when you are trail braking, cornering hard, and run over a curb (dramatic increase in vertical load).
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 06:56 AM
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3. vertical loads (ie. car's weight on that corner) would normally not be on the wheel studs if the wheel is hub-centric.
Nope, not true. Since there has to be clearance (typically .005 to .010") to allow the aluminum wheel to slip over the steel hub center, it cannot be load bearing. As the wheel rotates, does the wheel oscillate around the hub center? It would if it was weight bearing and had to go from zero clearance to .010 or .020" clearance around the hub. Again, ALL of the loads are taken by the wheel studs and nuts.

If the wheel is not hub-centric, then this load gets taken on by the wheel studs as a shear force
Shear force is shear force. It doesn't matter if it comes from torque or the vertical weight of the vehicle - its still shear.
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 05:31 PM
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FYI, you can get aluminum hub centric rings from Discount Tire for $15 (or completely free if you have ordered tires from them before and a nice person answers the phone)
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