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Old May 21, 2009 | 03:34 PM
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What is the requirement of switching in between clubs as far as drive skill Levels? With my work schedule changing i cant goto every NASA(member) event and i know there are other clubs that have days im available to goto. So im wondering if your a SOLO driver in one will it translate to being SOLO in another? I would hate to get up in skill level then be kicked back down in another club... Hopefully im explaining myself correctly.. thnkx.......
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Old May 21, 2009 | 04:01 PM
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All depends on the club. If your driving with the BMW club you get an instructor all day until they sign you off solo. The free instruction is always good. Especially, if you just want to work on one thing per session.

I've had instructors that have raced at 24 hours of Daytona before. I wasn't going to pass that up.

Some schools require 50 mins of paid instruction until they sign you off as solo no matter where you've been tracking with in the past.

Do you keep a log book? I have one that shows each club that I have tracked with from Novice to Advanced. I can take that log book to any club and run with the advance group.

The log book eliminates "He knows me and can vouch for me" bs.

Contact the club you want to run with and see what their requirements are.

Nothing wrong being kicked down a level too. Some groups are all race car drivers with a NASA, Conference and or SCCA license. Fun to run with but I don't get bent out of shape that they bumped me down to the "B" group.
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Old May 21, 2009 | 04:14 PM
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I would hate to get up in skill level then be kicked back down in another club...
Since you're talking about HPDEs and there's no competition involved, why does it matter? As posted above, take full advantage of a downgrade and get all the instruction you can.
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Old May 22, 2009 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by IslandZavage
What is the requirement of switching in between clubs as far as drive skill Levels? With my work schedule changing i cant goto every NASA(member) event and i know there are other clubs that have days im available to goto. So im wondering if your a SOLO driver in one will it translate to being SOLO in another? I would hate to get up in skill level then be kicked back down in another club... Hopefully im explaining myself correctly.. thnkx.......
One problem I see a lot, is that drivers who've been "soloed" ... i.e. who drive in an intermediate or advanced run group and have been signed off for a session or two ... think they can come to another group and say they are "solo" and get in on a full solo run group.

So part of the answer involves what your definition of Solo is. If you run NASA HPDE4, then chances are at the very least you'll be put in an advanced run group with a check-ride instructor. But that should be pretty standard if you haven't driven with a club before. Also, one thing that helps, is if you know some of the instructors for one group, they may also instruct for another group you're considering. A recommendation from a good-standing instructor can often go a long way in placing you appropriately.
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Old May 22, 2009 | 03:05 PM
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thanks for the info/advice guys. Im still pretty much a new person on the track, but im looking to progress and et more track time and only issue i have is that running with only one club might not be an option for me cause of scheduling conflicts. I work on alternate sundays so im trying to take advantage of being a member of dif clubs so i always have an option to run both days
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Ok, but you getting bumped down a level with another group is irrelevant.

It's still seat time.
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Old May 22, 2009 | 07:36 PM
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with running with different clubs... just know that each club has their own rules... and we tend to stick to those rules for the most part. If that means you being bumped down a group for your first couple events, so be it. Don't dwell on it. Use the opportunity to understand WHY a club might do what they do.

After the event... take a step back and ask yourself: did it really matter? You might even find you're a better driver for it.
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Old May 23, 2009 | 02:42 PM
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Agreed. thnkx for the info/advice guys...
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Originally Posted by WXSigns
Ok, but you getting bumped down a level with another group is irrelevant.

It's still seat time.
Being placed in slower paced group, can be frustrating, so I am guessing the OP is trying to make sure he is placed fairly close to his skill level. For instance, running at the HPDE3 level, and then being slotted in the beginner group for another club, can be problematic from many different perspectives.

Most clubs I have run with typically require a check ride, if they don't have any clear or documented track experience for you.
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Old May 31, 2009 | 06:48 PM
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^^ good point.
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most organizations will realize if someone is faster than the group. Even if someone is slightly faster you will still get quality track time, and get to also practice traffic management.
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