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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 12:22 AM
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what do i have to get for this as of sway bars, what hole do i have to adjust my front and rear hotchkis sway bars
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 02:04 AM
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What kind of track racing do you do? The settings of your sway bar depends on your current suspension setup and what you're trying to accomplish with the car.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 03:26 AM
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Moved to proper forum

Search the current forum for "hotchkis" and see what others are using. You'll see that it varies greatly as it depends on the rest of your suspension setup. There is no simple "set the front to .. and set the rear to..." answer.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 05:15 AM
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As stated, there is no "ONE" setup. it depends not only on what is already on the car, but the driving style of the driver.

On that note though, there are many threads where you can read about peoples personal opinions and experiences with different setups.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 05:53 AM
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From the looks of your post, I don't think you need anything but a mechanically-sound vehicle.
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I thinks it depends more so on the driver's style and abilities. In stock form the suspension will outperform most drivers and will give an understeering safety net. The sway bar can aid in removing some of this understeer (rear bar harder setting) by allowing the car to be less compliant and literally break traction slightly earlier in the rear. But this is where the less experienced driver can get into trouble. With that said, the changes are fairly small and affect the handling similar increments just be aware of what the changes do to the overall attitude of the car.

This is by no means the only product of this type of adjustment just the most pronounced.

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I have stock suspension but i just bought hotchis sway bars and i wanna know whats the best for going around the track getting the best time, i dont need to explain more damn come on
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Originally Posted by SpeedDemon20
I have stock suspension but i just bought hotchis sway bars and i wanna know whats the best for going around the track getting the best time, i dont need to explain more damn come on
True, you don't need to explain more.

But many of us can tell that everything we were trying to help out with will fall on deaf ears.

Have fun.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedDemon20
I have stock suspension but i just bought hotchis sway bars and i wanna know whats the best for going around the track getting the best time, i dont need to explain more damn come on
What tires, what tire sizes, what springs, camber settings and driving experiance will help us give you a better starting point.
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Here you go,

Front antisway bar stiffer = More understeer
Front antisway bar softer = Less understeer
Rear antisway bar stiffer = More oversteer
Rear antisway bar softer = Less oversteer
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Zazz93
Here you go,

Front antisway bar stiffer = More understeer
Front antisway bar softer = Less understeer
Rear antisway bar stiffer = More oversteer
Rear antisway bar softer = Less oversteer
thx man thats all i needed to know , people are so hard to deal with sometimes
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 05:54 PM
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your swaybars came with instructions - your best bet is starting with the settings they recommend in there, and then fine tuning them as you see fit, based on how the car behaves once they are installed
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedDemon20
thx man thats all i needed to know , people are so hard to deal with sometimes
Yeah, some people are hard to deal with

goodluck getting those oh so fast lap times
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Originally Posted by SpeedDemon20
i dont need to explain more damn come on
Are you serious? You never answered my question of what type of track you'll be running on. There's sooo many bleeding variables. Are you an aggressive driver? Do you like oversteer? Can you handle oversteer? What are your current alignment settings? How fast are the average corner speeds on your track? What kind of tires are you running?

If you want the best time, you should be out there testing the setup. No one knows how well you can drive and how you like to drive. That's for you to decide. Install the damn sways and go for a test drive, adjust from there to suit you and your track. The end.
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 06:18 AM
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To answer the OPs question in very simple terms.
Front = Med
Rear = Soft (adjust to Med if too much understeer or prefer more active rear)

IMO you shouldn't go higher than Med on a OEM suspension. I've tried it and it feels like ur fighting the car to much thru turns on track.

Experimentation is ur best teacher.
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 07:51 AM
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I think SpeedDemon20 and this driving instructor will get along well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwa9TMG63fM
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by betamotorsports
I think SpeedDemon20 and this driving instructor will get along well.

video
ok, that has to be the worst instructor I have ever heard. I really, REALLY hope the student reported all that to the organizers.
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I didn't get why the instructor was so bothered. Was there a little background problem to this one we may have missed?
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 09:46 AM
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I hope that wasn't your experience Beta (I noticed you are both Johns).
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Zazz93
I didn't get why the instructor was so bothered. Was there a little background problem to this one we may have missed?
if you noticed, he was bothered before they even got belted in the car. The "Slow Down @ZZ#$%#" comment and the "not use to a full face helmet" were red flags to me. I think more details will come out soon.
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