NoLimit

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Hmmm, ... so i wonder which coilovers we could buy without springs??

M3to350z

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1. If I kept it at a certain ride height, would air leak, and I would have to refill the air daily?

2. How close to an oem ride quality would this be compaired too.

3. How long does the compressor take to fill up the tank

4. How many ups and downs can I do on one full tank.

5. Do I need any special tools to install your product ( any cutting/voiding warranty)

6. What is the estimated installation time.

7. Let's say a line bursts/leaks, will the car bottom out and drag.

8. You are saying that the position of the solenoid determines the "spring rate" I believe. Can you give lengths of install to equal oem quality.

example 5" Softer than oem 4" = oem 3" hard 2" Very stiff.

9. Can I mount the compressor outside the cabin to avoid the loud noise. If not, can I mount it in the spare tire area void of free air travel thus eliminating any heat transfer from the compressors heat sink.

10. Sorry for so many question. I really like your product and hope to be one of the first to install.

universalAirSus

answers above

M3to350z

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1. How fast does the car travel from top to bottom

2. How fast does the car travel from bottom to top.

3. Can I get back to my stock ride without buying anything and sell your system to a friend as a whole without the next owner having to buy any parts.

4. What is our final price shipped to Los Angeles

5. What is your installation cost if we drive to SAC.

M3to350z

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1. Can you install a bump stop so that if the car happanes to loose air, it will bottom out on the bump stop, rather than the car itself.

2. Do you have any adjustability in how far its maximum stroke is and minimum stroke.

3. What is the total stroke of your system.

4. Do you have better pictures of the "switches". Everything else will be hidden if I am not correct?

BhashaZ

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^^ watch this video for the up/down speed: http://www.universalairsuspension.co...-Lowriders.wmv

universalAirSus

1/2. The video on our website is a good representation of the speed of the system. Now it will move a little faster because the 300C shown does way more.

3. Yes its a bolt in kit. If your friend has the same car he will just have to bolt on his. If he has a different car, typically you will have to replace the airline, and different brackets.

4. 2316.63 after tax

5. We charge 1,000 on install if you bring the car out here (San Bernardino)

universalAirSus

1. Depending on your tire size most of the time the car will roll fully layed out. but if you wish it higher on the dropped height that is no problem.

Layed out


Lifted up


Switchbox.


You will see the tank and compressors in the trunk.

palepony

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is the testing done already? or is it that it is planned to be done in the future? what tools are used in your testing?

thx

universalAirSus

The testing was done by our Universal Air Japan inorder to get certification for road use about 4 years ago. I am waiting for them to send me over the tech data.

spdkils

Were you able to get the spring rates yet???

I've been looking around, and I've found four differnt airbag options at this point...

Here is a TINYURL and a purchase price of each option. I'm not exactly sure what each of these kits includes at this point...

Does anyone have any experience with any of the competition?

http://tinyurl.com/owzqj - AirRunner ~ 3,900
http://tinyurl.com/p6shb - Universal Air ~ 2,300
http://tinyurl.com/eklyv - Roberuta Cup Kits ~ 4,200 (Front+Rear)
http://tinyurl.com/znjcf - Airbagit.com ~ 2,400

At this piont it looks like the Universal Air is the most echonomical option... Then again I don't know if each of these are complete and include everything needed etc. I would hope so... But hey you never know...

spdkils

universalAirSus

The owner is over in Japan to get the information from our Universal Air Japan as we speak. He will be back at the end of next week and ill post it up when i have it.

A few other things to keep in mind is to compair the kits and what is coming in them. I.e. the air runner kit With the electric valves is over 4k. However they do also include a set of KYB shocks with their kits where as i don't include shocks.

Roberuta Cup Kits are great for up and down, no where in between.

Airbagit.com.... well just do a search on the forum and you will see what people have said about their experiences....

Also the forum discount is 2150 for our kit shipped in the Cont. U.S.

In case your wondering why our kits are so affordable its because we use the same bag in allot of different applications to keep cost of production low. We are able to do this because of our patented internal chamber design so we just need to make brackets specifically for each vehicle.

As far as the other components we have taken all of our experience and supplied the highest quality available that no-one else does.

All of our fittings are D.O.T. Approved so they don't leak. Our Air tank is made from polished, stainless steel so there will be no rust to damage the air system.

Valves are water-proof and electric so they will not be damaged with normal use (rated at 10,000,000 cycles before failure)

2 - 100% duty compressors rated at 200 psi. They are the Heaviest duty, Highest pressure compressor made by Viair (Extremely good name in the industry). Compared to 150 psi and 50% duty. Not to mention allot higher output so you don't hear them running forever. We run 2 compressors for twice as fast of a fill time and failsafe reliability.

Also sleeve bags have a shorter life and a "softer" ride then bellows. We have designed up our bellow bags to give allot more of a "sporty" ride then the luxurious ride typically shown with bags (floaty feeling)

universalAirSus

Ive gone out and had my own testing done for the forum. We used a Digital Coil Spring Tester at a company that builds Racecars. From there i have used Excel to create the graphs.

Please note that these are Static Data Charts. If the bag was not in motion. With the bag in motion the spring rate will change depending on the amount of air line that is between the bag and the valve.





The less airline between the bag and valve will cause the volume to decrease and cause the air pressure to increase more drasticly causing a higher spring rate. I have also done a test measuring the amount that the air pressure will increase as we decrease the height of the bag.

chi-Z

i would like to give the system a try too. how much would the bags and bracket cost me. pm me if this is possible.

BhashaZ

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PM'd you. Thanks.

World Famous Z

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This bring back memories of my old accord on air..... sigh..

when you consider the volume of air inside the bag, you must also count the air in the line from the bag to the valve. Essentially, the line is holding volume as well. it will take more air to fill the bags at say, oh, 25psi with the valves mounted on the other side of the car say, front bags to rear trunk mounted valves as an example.... If my understanding is correct, the more "space" in the system that can be occupied by the air, the longer it will take to compress this air volume under compression??
Basically, what i'm getting from this is that you'll have a more controlled, and faster reacting suspension if the valve was mounted lets say, on the bag, or right by it, and if you had the valve mounted much farther away, you would have more overall volume to compress, and thus have a suspension that is slower to react?

With that said, if i am on the right path, this might mean a more sloppy feel of the suspension when the valves are mounted farther away?

I installed and did my own tuning and kit for my honda a few years back so
I understand all the dynamics of an air ride suspension for the show purposes, and what not, and understand various components and such in kits for this purpose, but when talking about air ride and performance/spring rates etc... i'm still struggling to understand...

World Famous Z

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i forgot, from personal experience, i really like the features of the dakota digital electronic switch setup, it's more precise than a normal switch setup, but you pay the extra price. It's display tho would be easier to integrate into a car, for a more clean look. VIAR compressors are really nice, those are the ones you want in your system

if you are interested in more "play time" up and down, you can just swap out to a bigger tank right? Space permitting of course....

looks to be a nice kit

Xx SiFaKa

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This is very good new to me. I've always wondered if their was soemthing I could get along with a body kit so I could rais it for when I need to go ove those pesky speed bumps.

I will definately be thinking of this when I get a body kit but that's not till after I save for my F/I plan.

supergodzilla

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do the bags take up more space than the oem spring? can I run just as aggressive offset wheels with the bags as i could with springs?

universalAirSus

I appologize for waiting on the reply. Yes that is correct the closer the valve is the "fast" it reacts further away the slower it is.

But in reguards to the spring rate the closer, or less volume between the valve and the bag will cause the air pressure between the valve and the bag in increase more then if the valves were further away.

For example. If you had the valve right ontop of the bag, when the bag is compressed down to half of its volume the pressure inside will double. However if you had equal volume between the valve and bag (air line) and the bag its self the pressure will only increase by 50%. Thus causing the closer you place the valves to the bags the higher the progression of the spring rate will be.

Basically what it comes down to, when you hit a bump and the wheel moved 1/2". If they were put the valves further away it will allow for the wheel to travel more, if you put them closer the wheel's will travel less. Now, typically most people dont even mess with valve placement, bag placement, they just put the bags in, hook it up and love it the way that it is. But, for the racing teams they like to tune it in for exactly what they like!

That is the "science" behind air suspension. Now... If you had an accord, you probly had air cylinders in there... An typically with an air cylinder your dont care about handling and ride quality... There is no dampers in the car and the cylinder doesnt react nearly the same as a bag will.