a Tokico/koni question quality setup.
I dont want to hear search becouse my question while scratched apon are not clearly answered, hence they get semi re asked.
1. Are the stock and nismo s tune shocks tokico
2. Im scared of tokico as a name, do there products suck or will it be just like koni. Is it quality.
3. Opinion(facotring in price)- Koni w/ hotchkis springs or tokico d-spec. The car is driven hard all the time. I do a fair amount of track, but it is a street car.
1. Are the stock and nismo s tune shocks tokico
2. Im scared of tokico as a name, do there products suck or will it be just like koni. Is it quality.
3. Opinion(facotring in price)- Koni w/ hotchkis springs or tokico d-spec. The car is driven hard all the time. I do a fair amount of track, but it is a street car.
Originally Posted by Drift_corners
Do you like the way it handels.
Have you ever tested your car in a way that would truely give you a good knowledge of the way it handles?
Q1) Yes, Tokico makes the OEM and Nismo shocks. The D-spec are not the same bodies though, they are thicker and adjustable (at least that is what i can see on the outside).
Q2) They are not a newcomer to the business and have been building shocks for a long time. They adjust differently than Koni, they work differently than Koni. If you are not comfortable, than maybe they are not for you.
Chris
Q2) They are not a newcomer to the business and have been building shocks for a long time. They adjust differently than Koni, they work differently than Koni. If you are not comfortable, than maybe they are not for you.
Chris
yeah. I mean ill probly try them, i have a sponsor for tires now, and i think i might be able to get a good price on some hks coiloveres but the price is still 3 times that of the tokico. I think im going to try em.
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Originally Posted by Drift_corners
it seems most people adjust them to almost full firm, do you ever wish it was stiffer... and how many turns is roughly equivilent to stock stiffness.
Koni cost more money lol.
Ive done autox, 2 trips to lime rock, 1 to summit point and countless miles on the street. They (non adj. tokico) provide adequate dampening for the Eibach progressive springs that they are paired with. Ive also delt with tokico with their lifetime warranty and they were very easy to deal with.
I have mine on full stiff. The ride is very harsh- I feel like a bobble head. Going to try a less stiff this week. Handling wise, it's great - feels very sticky on turns as long as road isn't too bumpy. I had tokico's on my 97 eclipse as well, they've been around a long time.
Gsedan35 said this when i was asking questions about the two different shocks
The revised thing:
Their are two different suspension's on the USDM 350Z. Nissan did a running change mid way into the 2004 model year. We refer to 03/04 car's that don't have the changes as "unrevised". And we refer to 04,5+ car's as having the "revised" suspension. The most significant change in the revision is what Nissan did to the tuning of the shocks. They reduced their compression dampning (stiffness on bump) and increased the rebound control (rate of return from bump) So, a 03/04 car will feel stiffer vs a 04.5 car, but the 04.5+ car will have little to none of the 03/04 car's famous bounce and porposing issues.
How Koni factor's into all this:
When Koni did their R&D work for the Z, they noticed all the compression dampning that the 03 car had and that it was lacking in rebound control. They made it a specific mission to have less compression dampning and to have more rebound control (also remember that Koni's dampning adjustability is for rebound only). So, a 03/04 car owner that switches to Koni's will have less stiffness from the shocks, but much better overall control via better valving. Vs 04.5+ car's, would not expect their to be a lot of differance stiffness wise, the Koni's will still deliver better valving.
On Tokico D-specs:
When the shocks first intro'd, I spoke with one of their techs. He explained that you could adjust the shocks to be softer then oem or to be slightly stiffer then oem. He was of course refering to car's with the original unrevised suspension. So when a 03 or 04 owner reports that at full stifff his D-specs are only slightly stiffer then oem, I totally understand.
Hope that helps,
The revised thing:
Their are two different suspension's on the USDM 350Z. Nissan did a running change mid way into the 2004 model year. We refer to 03/04 car's that don't have the changes as "unrevised". And we refer to 04,5+ car's as having the "revised" suspension. The most significant change in the revision is what Nissan did to the tuning of the shocks. They reduced their compression dampning (stiffness on bump) and increased the rebound control (rate of return from bump) So, a 03/04 car will feel stiffer vs a 04.5 car, but the 04.5+ car will have little to none of the 03/04 car's famous bounce and porposing issues.
How Koni factor's into all this:
When Koni did their R&D work for the Z, they noticed all the compression dampning that the 03 car had and that it was lacking in rebound control. They made it a specific mission to have less compression dampning and to have more rebound control (also remember that Koni's dampning adjustability is for rebound only). So, a 03/04 car owner that switches to Koni's will have less stiffness from the shocks, but much better overall control via better valving. Vs 04.5+ car's, would not expect their to be a lot of differance stiffness wise, the Koni's will still deliver better valving.
On Tokico D-specs:
When the shocks first intro'd, I spoke with one of their techs. He explained that you could adjust the shocks to be softer then oem or to be slightly stiffer then oem. He was of course refering to car's with the original unrevised suspension. So when a 03 or 04 owner reports that at full stifff his D-specs are only slightly stiffer then oem, I totally understand.
Hope that helps,
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