i installed the camber kit with out the traction arms . it threw my wheels out of wack completely, i know i have to align it but do i need to intall the the trac arms? my rear wheels look like this \ / is that normal before alignment? btw they also look crooked

 

Before spending $$$ on an alignment-buy SPC eccentric toe bolts. Or you will do it twice. www.iapdirect.com BTW sounds like you have mad negative camber and bad toe which is VERY likely.

 

I have the Kinetix full rear and front A-Frames---Took it to Austin after 5 Fukc ups in the Ghetto and Soul Speed had me perfect in 40 minutes---never touched them since and I got wicked drop.( 30,000 miles? maybe )...I had the bolts and he said I didnt need them. Proofs in the tires---Perfect pattern

 

so should i install the trac arms before alignment or are they not needed bob?

 

I cant answer that for you----I installed all components and the idiots in SA did nothing but scratch their butts and screw it up. I spent 100s of $$$$s .......5 locations and 3 of them twice for a total of 8 alignments.

Bill Kim was Hot and raced what he aligned---He was a Pro. Heard rumors he's No More...Just tried his Cell and Office and got nothing. I was toed out wicked bad / \ and if I recall, you may have seen it when you were here last. We were lookin at my wheels and I saw the tires and said Oh ****....Wires were showing. That was a while back -----If you may recall, One place bent my rods to just get close before I got the Kinetics....Idiots

 

for what its worth, the traction arms aren't the correct way to adjust toe, they alter two planes of the suspension geometry at once, rather than adjusting via the factory location like the SPC toe bolts. Just that reason is enough to not run them. get the spc toe bolts instead like Alberto said

 

What Redlude said may be true---so many geometric variables----I sold my toe bolts cuz I didnt have to use them in my case ------I just got through on Bills Cell and if he returns my call, I will let u know whats up