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Originally posted by jak
Hi Keith,
I had a tough time finding a place here in the Minneapolis area to install the JICs. I ended up going to a small performance shop that specialized in imports. I think that would be your best bet to find a import performance shop or even a shop that sells aftermarket import parts and ask them who they use for installations.
Jeff
Hi Keith,
I had a tough time finding a place here in the Minneapolis area to install the JICs. I ended up going to a small performance shop that specialized in imports. I think that would be your best bet to find a import performance shop or even a shop that sells aftermarket import parts and ask them who they use for installations.
Jeff
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Originally posted by tomsn16
No problem mentioning names. I should have mentioned that I am Jim Thompson....Carter's Dad/tire warmer.
Regarding sway bars...we are still using stock bars. For BS we can only change the front. We have tried a larger front bar but couldn't overcome the additional understeer. By the way, all our testing is with 275/40/17 Hoosiers.
Our Setup for those interested:
Enthusiast Model
Koni double adjustable shocks
Kodiak wheels ( 16.5 lbs )
1/4 " wheel spacers with long wheel studs
275/40/17 Hoosier tires
Muffler removed with short tip off tailpipe
Camber frt=stock,rear=1.5 neg
Toe frt=0.25" out, rear=0.25" in
Weight= 3030 lbs ( we run with 5 gallons fuel or less )
No problem mentioning names. I should have mentioned that I am Jim Thompson....Carter's Dad/tire warmer.
Regarding sway bars...we are still using stock bars. For BS we can only change the front. We have tried a larger front bar but couldn't overcome the additional understeer. By the way, all our testing is with 275/40/17 Hoosiers.
Our Setup for those interested:
Enthusiast Model
Koni double adjustable shocks
Kodiak wheels ( 16.5 lbs )
1/4 " wheel spacers with long wheel studs
275/40/17 Hoosier tires
Muffler removed with short tip off tailpipe
Camber frt=stock,rear=1.5 neg
Toe frt=0.25" out, rear=0.25" in
Weight= 3030 lbs ( we run with 5 gallons fuel or less )
Let us know how Carter does with the Z at the Tire Rack Solo Championship. Good luck.
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Carter did pretty well finishing in 6th and the only 350Z close to the S2000's & Boxster.
I got this note from Gordon from Koni when I asked about the bounce and the stock shocks/springs.
Mark,
>Are the Koni Yellow Sport shocks designed to eliminate the stock Z's bounce and work with the stock springs? <
Yes. All the testing that was done was with the stock springs. When we were finished and happy with the settings, we made that the full soft position. Thanks for writing.
Gordon
I got this note from Gordon from Koni when I asked about the bounce and the stock shocks/springs.
Mark,
>Are the Koni Yellow Sport shocks designed to eliminate the stock Z's bounce and work with the stock springs? <
Yes. All the testing that was done was with the stock springs. When we were finished and happy with the settings, we made that the full soft position. Thanks for writing.
Gordon
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Originally posted by jmark
....Yes. All the testing that was done was with the stock springs. When we were finished and happy with the settings, we made that the full soft position....
....Yes. All the testing that was done was with the stock springs. When we were finished and happy with the settings, we made that the full soft position....
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Originally posted by TCL
Mark, good info.
Mark, good info.
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Originally posted by jmark
.......TCL you coming to the GA Cup race at VIR in October? Both 350Z's (dwnshift & Jeff@Performance) should be there in GSII.
.......TCL you coming to the GA Cup race at VIR in October? Both 350Z's (dwnshift & Jeff@Performance) should be there in GSII.
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Originally posted by 10531178
Spoke to Koni earlier this week.
They said no new shocks for the 350z 'til next year.
Spoke to Koni earlier this week.
They said no new shocks for the 350z 'til next year.
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Originally posted by 10531178
Spoke to Koni earlier this week.
They said no new shocks for the 350z 'til next year.
Spoke to Koni earlier this week.
They said no new shocks for the 350z 'til next year.
Gordon,
I am hearing from www.my350z.com members Koni will not have the 350Z SA Yellow Sport shocks till next year instead of late fall. Can you confirm or deny this?
Thanks,
Mark
Mark,
There is a chance that the shocks may not become available until after the first of the year but it still looks like they could be ready by late fall/ end of year. Please don't forget that these are estimates. The tooling and fixtures are being made for the first production run and this will have a huge effect on the exact release date. The whole "next year" thing was a bit of a fudge factor in case there are any delays that come up during the tooling. Without seeing the posting, I have a feeling that this wasn't mentioned. Thanks for writing.
Gordon
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Originally posted by jmark
I asked Gordon at Koni about your statement and here is answer.
Gordon,
I am hearing from www.my350z.com members Koni will not have the 350Z SA Yellow Sport shocks till next year instead of late fall. Can you confirm or deny this?
Thanks,
Mark
Mark,
There is a chance that the shocks may not become available until after the first of the year but it still looks like they could be ready by late fall/ end of year. Please don't forget that these are estimates. The tooling and fixtures are being made for the first production run and this will have a huge effect on the exact release date. The whole "next year" thing was a bit of a fudge factor in case there are any delays that come up during the tooling. Without seeing the posting, I have a feeling that this wasn't mentioned. Thanks for writing.
Gordon
I asked Gordon at Koni about your statement and here is answer.
Gordon,
I am hearing from www.my350z.com members Koni will not have the 350Z SA Yellow Sport shocks till next year instead of late fall. Can you confirm or deny this?
Thanks,
Mark
Mark,
There is a chance that the shocks may not become available until after the first of the year but it still looks like they could be ready by late fall/ end of year. Please don't forget that these are estimates. The tooling and fixtures are being made for the first production run and this will have a huge effect on the exact release date. The whole "next year" thing was a bit of a fudge factor in case there are any delays that come up during the tooling. Without seeing the posting, I have a feeling that this wasn't mentioned. Thanks for writing.
Gordon
With the Konis to be available soon(in June or July), I've been gritting my teeth and waiting. I won't wait for Jan. 2004 for the Konis, the Z will be history. Its a year old 9/9/03 w/5700+ miles and Nissan has done nothing to address many of the problems this car's suspension has had. Keith
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Keith, I am not sure if the Konis will fullfill what you are complaining about. They should decrease the bounce, but the ride should be even firmer than stock. Hopefully, it won't affect your stance on the rest of Nissan's products, cause really, the 350Z is going to ride firmer than any other car in their line.
Anyone know for sure that they will be firmer than stock?
Anyone know for sure that they will be firmer than stock?
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With my conversations with Gordon, getting deeper into the R&D aspects of the new struts. He specifically mentioned that the problem with the stock struts is that Nissan dialed in to much compresssion dampening in a effort to get really good turn in and quicker overall responce. He said they(Koni) specifically designed their struts to have LESS compression dampening. Knowing that, the Koni's should have less, what some people would term,........harshness.
What I want to know is what spring rate limits did they design into the struts? Yellow's usually top out ar around 600/500.
What I want to know is what spring rate limits did they design into the struts? Yellow's usually top out ar around 600/500.
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Originally posted by little_rod
Keith, I am not sure if the Konis will fullfill what you are complaining about. They should decrease the bounce, but the ride should be even firmer than stock. Hopefully, it won't affect your stance on the rest of Nissan's products, cause really, the 350Z is going to ride firmer than any other car in their line.
Anyone know for sure that they will be firmer than stock?
Keith, I am not sure if the Konis will fullfill what you are complaining about. They should decrease the bounce, but the ride should be even firmer than stock. Hopefully, it won't affect your stance on the rest of Nissan's products, cause really, the 350Z is going to ride firmer than any other car in their line.
Anyone know for sure that they will be firmer than stock?
Gcoupe35 has it correct, from Gordon at Koni, the stock shocks are overdamped on the compression stroke and underdamped on the rebound. This combination =Harshness, crashing from bump to bump on secondary roads and floating on wavy interstates. A stiff spring can be matched with a shock that is firmer on the rebound and will both ride and handle better over the road, any road, smooth or rough. That is how most sport suspended BMWs are set up.
Our stock suspension works better on the dragstrip being set up the way it is now. Think about it. Stiff springs and lots of compression stiffness on the shocks could reduce axle tramp and give you a better hookup at the strip. I didn't buy a dragster, I bought the reincarnation of the spirit of the original 240Z which was NOT a dragster, it was setup to be a road car over all road surfaces. Those of you who do dragrace, fine, but I am not interested. I want a real car, not a car which rides like crap over so many road surfaces. Remember, a rock hard ride does not define a sports car, it simply reduces its ability to deliver a decent ride.
BTW, drag racing redefined itself in the late '80s and '90s. Front wheel drive sport compacts and rear wheel drive Japanese sports cars are very new to the drag wars. I wasn't interested then and I'm not interested now. Steve McQueen must be turning over in his grave and I am really pissed to find out my new Zcar is set up this way. Nissan should be sued for false advertising, Spirit of the 240, more like spirit of the Supra TT, perverted by The Fast and Furious.
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Thanks for trying to cheer me up people, I don't begrudge your taste in any way, you paid your money and you can do with it as you enjoy. I don't want to sell my Z, but walking comes first and I almost lost that ability before, no car is worth jeopardizing my health.
Boomer/Keith
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OK, dude, that wasn't clear to me in your first post. I thought that you were wanting something softer than stock. From what you said above, the Konis should be what you want, we can just hope they come out as soon as possible.
Anyone got any definite price info??
Anyone got any definite price info??
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Originally posted by little_rod
OK, dude, that wasn't clear to me in your first post. I thought that you were wanting something softer than stock. From what you said above, the Konis should be what you want, we can just hope they come out as soon as possible.
Anyone got any definite price info??
OK, dude, that wasn't clear to me in your first post. I thought that you were wanting something softer than stock. From what you said above, the Konis should be what you want, we can just hope they come out as soon as possible.
Anyone got any definite price info??
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Originally posted by jmark
As Gordon said:
All the testing that was done was with the stock springs. When we were finished and happy with the settings, we made that the full soft position. Thanks for writing.
As Gordon said:
All the testing that was done was with the stock springs. When we were finished and happy with the settings, we made that the full soft position. Thanks for writing.
Sincerely,
Keith.