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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:29 PM
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there is no way that what you showed in the pic is 2 degrees of negative toe.

-2 toe is a **** ton. maybe 2 minutes, not degrees. 2 minutes of toe in is no biggie.




edit: i don't think its even possible to get 2 degrees of toe in even with the toe bolts.
maybe so, thats what the alignment shop told me... just quoting them
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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:31 PM
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those will help drastically once i figure out y the toe is off by so much even with maxing it out...im not going to pay another 150 to have them re do it..thats for sure! thanks for those sites
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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 09:15 PM
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don't let $150 go down the *******, take it back and tell them it's unacceptable after driving it and make them do it again. No way they will be like oh the bolts are in the right way now if they couldn't even tell the first time. Especially when you pay that kind of money there is a warranty on their work, tell them to give it another look over and keep your mouf shut.
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 05:52 AM
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how about posting up the spec sheet the alignment shop gave you after it was completed?
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
how about posting up the spec sheet the alignment shop gave you after it was completed?

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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
how about posting up the spec sheet the alignment shop gave you after it was completed?
they acutally didnt give me the spec sheet...but i did call them and ***** them out and they told me to back tues...so im going to take it back and make sure they fixx it!
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sk84volcom84
i did elongate the hole, BUT we put the toe bolt in backwards for ease of ajustmet and the fact that the stupid sway bar was in the way...im redoing it as we speak to put the bolt in the right way...hopefully that will fix it...and ill post pics too
sounds to me like that is your problem. i know you said you turned it back around, but thats not what i am getting at. since the toe bolt is not near the sway bar at all i would assume you changed out the wrong eccentric bolt.

the only eccentric bolt that gets obstructed by the sway bar is the camber eccentric bolt. if you put the eibach/spc bolt in the camber arm and not the midlink then i am not suprised your alignment guy could not get the rear toe in spec.

pics of where you put the bolt would be great
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bimmertech
sounds to me like that is your problem. i know you said you turned it back around, but thats not what i am getting at. since the toe bolt is not near the sway bar at all i would assume you changed out the wrong eccentric bolt.

the only eccentric bolt that gets obstructed by the sway bar is the camber eccentric bolt. if you put the eibach/spc bolt in the camber arm and not the midlink then i am not suprised your alignment guy could not get the rear toe in spec.

pics of where you put the bolt would be great
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by sk84volcom84
i did elongate the hole, BUT we put the toe bolt in backwards for ease of ajustmet and the fact that the stupid sway bar was in the way...im redoing it as we speak to put the bolt in the right way...hopefully that will fix it...and ill post pics too
Please post a PIC , if your sway bar is in the way of your TOE bolt, thats actually not your TOE bolt. You are making the typical mistake of installing the toe bolt where your camber arm is located.

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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 07:45 AM
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Here is the point. Suspention is not an easy topic. You need to know what you are doing. If you cannot distinguish between 2 degrees and 2 minutes, don't know what a protractor is, just take it to a shop. I am just giving you an advice, not flaming.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 06:49 PM
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any updates?

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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 02:07 AM
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yeah! so going back and rechecking everything, i realized that we did not elongate both parts of the chassie for the toe bolt...we only did the first sides! so today we went back and made those other holes bigger and guess what...it worked! so ty for everyone on the forum for the help, dont mind that it was my dumba$$ mistake :/
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 04:36 AM
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Glad you have it resolved. We learn from mistakes and next time you would be sharing your experience with others. Good job.
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sk84volcom84
yeah! so going back and rechecking everything, i realized that we did not elongate both parts of the chassie for the toe bolt...we only did the first sides! so today we went back and made those other holes bigger and guess what...it worked! so ty for everyone on the forum for the help, dont mind that it was my dumba$$ mistake :/
I still don't understand how the swaybar was in the way....
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Old Jun 17, 2009 | 04:30 AM
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because he had it installed in the wrong spot - he installed it in the camber arm, not in the spring bucket
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Old Jun 17, 2009 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
because he had it installed in the wrong spot - he installed it in the camber arm, not in the spring bucket
didn't he say all he had to do was elongate the other side of the subframe though? Never mentioned swapping the toe bolt down to the spring bucket.
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Old Jun 17, 2009 | 07:40 AM
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the toe bolt goes in the spring bucket. i ****** up too, but it still aligns fine for me, but defeated the purpose of the bolt. 'cus w/ the toe bolt there, it allows more camber adjustment, which the camber arm can already do.
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Old Jun 17, 2009 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
yes, because as you change camber, you inherently change toe - both have to be installed
SPC rear camber kit without toe bolts installed here and after alignment toe was fine?
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Old Jun 17, 2009 | 02:50 PM
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guys - we cant say it enough

every car is different - some cars can get away without the kit, some cars won't

they sell it as a kit, with camber and toe, for a reason. If you were able to get it back to spec without the bolt, consider yourself lucky. The toe bolt literally takes 10-15 mins per side to install
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Old Jun 17, 2009 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
guys - we cant say it enough

every car is different - some cars can get away without the kit, some cars won't

they sell it as a kit, with camber and toe, for a reason. If you were able to get it back to spec without the bolt, consider yourself lucky. The toe bolt literally takes 10-15 mins per side to install
thanks adam, i think the next time i have some work done to the ride ill get those toe bolts put on just to be on the safe side
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