350EVO Swaybars...what setting should I use?
Will be installing the 350EVO swaybars on my CS Track which already has the Nismo S-tune springs and shocks. I am currently running the stock Track wheels/tires and the car will be used mostly for spirited driving with no track or autocrossing. Any idea what settings would be perfect for my application? I have heard that medium front and medium rear would be fine but I wanted other opinions.
I'd be interested also because these are on my Xmas list. I heard that the race car uses stock Z springs with different sways and shocks.
A friend had just installed the front EVO sways...set at 'medium'; he felt little difference in rotation at this weekends autocross.
Have you asked the EVO guys?
A friend had just installed the front EVO sways...set at 'medium'; he felt little difference in rotation at this weekends autocross.
Have you asked the EVO guys?
It all depends what you are wanting the car to do.
Medium front and rear is a nice increase in roll stiffness. If thats not enough go full on both ends.
We use differnt spring rates for different track and track conditions with our Moton Shocks. We use the same sway bars that we sell.
At Daytona we used full stiff front and soft rear and medium rear settings..........just depends on what spring rates we are running and changing track conditions.
My street car I am at hard both front and rear. .......but i def wont be there for winter driving or a lot of rain.
BJ
Medium front and rear is a nice increase in roll stiffness. If thats not enough go full on both ends.
We use differnt spring rates for different track and track conditions with our Moton Shocks. We use the same sway bars that we sell.
At Daytona we used full stiff front and soft rear and medium rear settings..........just depends on what spring rates we are running and changing track conditions.
My street car I am at hard both front and rear. .......but i def wont be there for winter driving or a lot of rain.
BJ
Why are you installing them??? If you aren't using them for improvements at the track/autocross, no point having upgraded sway bars on a street-only car. You won't be going fast enough to truly appreciate the effect the bars will have on your car. Going fast on highway interchange ramps is not racing.... and a quick run through Nor Cal hills and twistys is great fun, but you don't need adjustable swaybars for that.
as for settings at the track... it really depends on the track, tires you are using, spring/shock settings... at Texas World Speedway I set my 350EVO bars full soft front and medium rear. Once I began loosing traction in the rear, I loosened the rear bar.
I will be running better track tires in a few weeks at Texas World Speedway and intend to set the bars full stiff front and rear and then readjusting from there if needed.
To really feel more rotation... jackwhale's friend should set them full soft front and full stiff rear... he may even want to completely remove the front bar, or use the OEM front bar. For autocross, you want as much grip up front as you can get and a little less in the rear (as long as you can control it) so that you can rotate/pivot the car. Setting them both to medium will offer no improvement from OEM bars.
PeteH
as for settings at the track... it really depends on the track, tires you are using, spring/shock settings... at Texas World Speedway I set my 350EVO bars full soft front and medium rear. Once I began loosing traction in the rear, I loosened the rear bar.
I will be running better track tires in a few weeks at Texas World Speedway and intend to set the bars full stiff front and rear and then readjusting from there if needed.
To really feel more rotation... jackwhale's friend should set them full soft front and full stiff rear... he may even want to completely remove the front bar, or use the OEM front bar. For autocross, you want as much grip up front as you can get and a little less in the rear (as long as you can control it) so that you can rotate/pivot the car. Setting them both to medium will offer no improvement from OEM bars.
PeteH
I have been running in B stock novice this year( 15 races) and fighting the dreaded understeer especially to the right. I just ran my first race this past Sunday and I had it set on Med. I was plesently surprised with the reduction in understeer. I feel it reduced it in half. I am still running with stock tires. This is required for Novice. I think that the understeer will be gone with the additions of Koni SA and wider racing tires. I closed another second to the fastest group in B stock from my past times.
I am a happy camper and look forward to next year.
Thanks BJ for hte help on the installation. Just follow the directions.
I am a happy camper and look forward to next year.
Thanks BJ for hte help on the installation. Just follow the directions.
Originally posted by Audito350Z
Why are you installing them??? If you aren't using them for improvements at the track/autocross, no point having upgraded sway bars on a street-only car. You won't be going fast enough to truly appreciate the effect the bars will have on your car. Going fast on highway interchange ramps is not racing.... and a quick run through Nor Cal hills and twistys is great fun, but you don't need adjustable swaybars for that.
PeteH
Why are you installing them??? If you aren't using them for improvements at the track/autocross, no point having upgraded sway bars on a street-only car. You won't be going fast enough to truly appreciate the effect the bars will have on your car. Going fast on highway interchange ramps is not racing.... and a quick run through Nor Cal hills and twistys is great fun, but you don't need adjustable swaybars for that.
PeteH
BJ/EVO350, would you also agree with PeteH's assessment that the stock swaybar would be adequate for just spirited driving on Nor Cal hills and twistys? I know this is a tough question for someone who markets these swaybars. They are, by the way, very high-quality bars!
If you are set on buying swaybars, then I would say get the 350EVO over any of the other selections out there. Once you have them on (very, very easy install, by the way) you can adjust them to your liking.
For street use, I have mine set full soft front and medium rear. It can get a little loose in the rear in rain, but VDC will save you from going around in a loop
I can't really say I noticed a difference on the street, but I only drive about 4 miles to work. I live in Houston, so the only twisty stuff we have is the slalom you get trying to avoid potholes.
On the track, I have noticed a difference. And, the adjustability is very handy. I reset the rears at the track... backed it up on Rhino Ramps, and made the change in about 5 minutes.
Also.... when you do the install, be sure to put grease on the bushings. Without grease, the bushings will make a lot of squeeking noises.
Hope that helps.
PeteH
For street use, I have mine set full soft front and medium rear. It can get a little loose in the rear in rain, but VDC will save you from going around in a loop
I can't really say I noticed a difference on the street, but I only drive about 4 miles to work. I live in Houston, so the only twisty stuff we have is the slalom you get trying to avoid potholes.
On the track, I have noticed a difference. And, the adjustability is very handy. I reset the rears at the track... backed it up on Rhino Ramps, and made the change in about 5 minutes.
Also.... when you do the install, be sure to put grease on the bushings. Without grease, the bushings will make a lot of squeeking noises.
Hope that helps.
PeteH
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I've had mine on since June, and have them set on Med / Med. Car is very well balanced for street driving, and for the track, I find the sway bars to be adequate. However, I do plan on going full stiff for a session just to see how different the car responds.
Hi Ray:
I was hoping that you would notice this thread and give some first hand comments. obviously my comments were from our conversation prior to the a'cross. You'll be kicking those cars ahead of you out of the way next year. I'll still be trolling along in your wake.
Also Ray, there is no need to comment on my 'overrotation' which brought a stern talking to by the steward for the event. Anyway it was just one donut.
I was hoping that you would notice this thread and give some first hand comments. obviously my comments were from our conversation prior to the a'cross. You'll be kicking those cars ahead of you out of the way next year. I'll still be trolling along in your wake.
Also Ray, there is no need to comment on my 'overrotation' which brought a stern talking to by the steward for the event. Anyway it was just one donut.
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