I am disappointed with the S-Tune and Sways.
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Originally posted by FLY BY Z
if all the s-tune did was give a decent ride i would agree with you but fortunately they do a bit more than that.
little rod, the nissan name isn't on the s-tune, a separate company called nismo is. lucky for us, certain products made by nismo are honored by nissan under the factory warranty. that extra 500 dollars will pay for itself when you have to pay for labor 4 times if another brand might have something wrong with it. being under warranty means totally free after initial purchase.
if all the s-tune did was give a decent ride i would agree with you but fortunately they do a bit more than that.
little rod, the nissan name isn't on the s-tune, a separate company called nismo is. lucky for us, certain products made by nismo are honored by nissan under the factory warranty. that extra 500 dollars will pay for itself when you have to pay for labor 4 times if another brand might have something wrong with it. being under warranty means totally free after initial purchase.
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Originally posted by FLY BY Z
if all the s-tune did was give a decent ride i would agree with you but fortunately they do a bit more than that.
little rod, the nissan name isn't on the s-tune, a separate company called nismo is. lucky for us, certain products made by nismo are honored by nissan under the factory warranty. that extra 500 dollars will pay for itself when you have to pay for labor 4 times if another brand might have something wrong with it. being under warranty means totally free after initial purchase.
if all the s-tune did was give a decent ride i would agree with you but fortunately they do a bit more than that.
little rod, the nissan name isn't on the s-tune, a separate company called nismo is. lucky for us, certain products made by nismo are honored by nissan under the factory warranty. that extra 500 dollars will pay for itself when you have to pay for labor 4 times if another brand might have something wrong with it. being under warranty means totally free after initial purchase.
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Originally posted by lotus
I like the sways, if I had to put a % on the difference in body roll it would be around 25%. I have them set up with HKS coilovers and I like the combo alot.
I like the sways, if I had to put a % on the difference in body roll it would be around 25%. I have them set up with HKS coilovers and I like the combo alot.
Originally posted by all_bark
thanks for all the response to my thread!
I am now coming to understand that maybe I was expecting too much from a $1700 s-tune and sway install. Maybe expecting too much was a mistake and thats why I was disapointed. I would agree that the bounce is gone, anywhere from 75-85% as was said earlier.
I would not say I have buyers remorse, I love this car, plan on keeping it for several more years and only want the best for it. Maybe this suspension mod was the best for my driving habits but once again, I was expecting more. Its not really the money as I would spend even more if there was a better suspension out there.
As for the warranty, I guess that is a good thing, because if the car does have a problem in the future I do like the fact that I can bring it in and say, "FIX IT!"
now I am waiting on the plenum by ISDunique!
thanks for all the response to my thread!
I am now coming to understand that maybe I was expecting too much from a $1700 s-tune and sway install. Maybe expecting too much was a mistake and thats why I was disapointed. I would agree that the bounce is gone, anywhere from 75-85% as was said earlier.
I would not say I have buyers remorse, I love this car, plan on keeping it for several more years and only want the best for it. Maybe this suspension mod was the best for my driving habits but once again, I was expecting more. Its not really the money as I would spend even more if there was a better suspension out there.
As for the warranty, I guess that is a good thing, because if the car does have a problem in the future I do like the fact that I can bring it in and say, "FIX IT!"
now I am waiting on the plenum by ISDunique!
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Originally posted by FLY BY Z
little rod, the nissan name isn't on the s-tune, a separate company called nismo is. lucky for us, certain products made by nismo are honored by nissan under the factory warranty. that extra 500 dollars will pay for itself when you have to pay for labor 4 times if another brand might have something wrong with it. being under warranty means totally free after initial purchase.
little rod, the nissan name isn't on the s-tune, a separate company called nismo is. lucky for us, certain products made by nismo are honored by nissan under the factory warranty. that extra 500 dollars will pay for itself when you have to pay for labor 4 times if another brand might have something wrong with it. being under warranty means totally free after initial purchase.
Wow... first person who's disappointed at the S-Tuned. I've had it for a month now and I'm loving mine. I didn't want to lower the Z too much since it was already low enough. So 20mm lower than stock was perfect for me. Also, it did away with the fwy bounce. Best of all, I get to retain the factory warranty. 
Yes it is on the pricey side but you are also paying for the quality of NISMO. Anyhow.. I love mine!
Yes it is on the pricey side but you are also paying for the quality of NISMO. Anyhow.. I love mine!
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Whatever man. The post isn't childish but since we are talking about what we don't like seeing I'll let you know what I think too. I am really tired of people thinking that they are paying for just a name when they clearly have no idea what they are buying. When you purchase something that is a product in a competitive or semi-competitive market you are geting certain benefits and features that are unique to that product. It is a really simple game dude. If your personal evaluative criteria are not met by a product then buy something else that does meet what you are looking for. Don't cry about brand names because that is not what it is about. There is not one person or company in this world that wants to BRAINWASH you. No one sells their product to you based SOLEY on the name on the box. I don't care what you think about that. If NISMO had wooden sticks in their box instead of springs and marshmallows instead of shocks people would not consider the product even though it says NISMO. There are certain criteria a person has for a product for which they are in the market. GOD FORBID a large or well known company comes out with a product that suites their needs. Give me a break with the NISMO is just a name BS man. NISMO products will continue to meet peoples wants and needs and continue to sell product. There is no corporate conspiracy. Companies become large because they do things better than the competition not because they brainwash the world. I think you touched a nerve with your previous comments because I am sick of hearing them from a lot of people. Everyone's got to be held down by the man. You know what? NISMO puts out some good product. So does Microsoft even though you probably use linux. So does IBM. Wal Mart makes a lot of people happy. There are obviously a countless number of giant global conglomerate fat corporations that destroy the small time business man. If they figure out the price that is acceptable to the masses before the next guy then guess what. They grow. Fact of life. Fact of business. Fact of capitalism. It is how it works. If it says NISMO, maybe it is better than the next product. Maybe a feature about the NISMO product is something that is unimportant to you and the Teins adjustability speaks wonders to you. So get the Teins. No one is ever forcing anyone to purchase anything. But everyone wants you to purchase what they are selling. It is your job to distinguish the differences. It is their JOB to make a better product or they will go out of business. No one out there has a horrible product. They are different and meet different criteria. Lay off the big business BS and I will lay off too.
By the way, my strike has nothing to do with post type. I trusted the filter to catch a word and it didn't. I fixed it but too late.
Anyways, people sound more brainwashed when they immed. eliminate something because of name. They have limited themselves before they have even begun to search. Personally, I don't care what suspension you buy. I just said I like my NISMOs and a few other people also like theirs and suddenly you are being BRAINWASHED. Come on. Judging by most of your posts you are simply looking for the cheapest solution available. Don't fight it, just get the Tein basics. NISMO isn't for everyone. It is a more complete package, IMO, and costs a bit more because of it.
and for my final little sentence, why do you feel offended? I read your post. You did not differentiate between NISMO and Nissan, two separate companies. I was trying to help and you become very defensive. I am sorry you feel the way you do. I didn't call you a name so why (insert) anything at all?
By the way, my strike has nothing to do with post type. I trusted the filter to catch a word and it didn't. I fixed it but too late.
Anyways, people sound more brainwashed when they immed. eliminate something because of name. They have limited themselves before they have even begun to search. Personally, I don't care what suspension you buy. I just said I like my NISMOs and a few other people also like theirs and suddenly you are being BRAINWASHED. Come on. Judging by most of your posts you are simply looking for the cheapest solution available. Don't fight it, just get the Tein basics. NISMO isn't for everyone. It is a more complete package, IMO, and costs a bit more because of it.
and for my final little sentence, why do you feel offended? I read your post. You did not differentiate between NISMO and Nissan, two separate companies. I was trying to help and you become very defensive. I am sorry you feel the way you do. I didn't call you a name so why (insert) anything at all?
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Dude, you totally ignored what I said in that whole long post. The point I made previously, was that Teins have a warranty, as does the nismos. A big deal is being made that you can go to your NISSAN dealership with the nismos. To each is own, why didn't you buy a nismo flywheel or intake??? Cause you wanted something else and that is what I respect.
Maybe I am tired of the nismo hype, and it struck a nerve with me. There products are OK, but some are very overpriced and the s-tunes are at the top of that list. BTW, I do know the difference between nismo and nissan, and for you to say it like you assumed I didn't was not taken well by me. For me to be on this site for like a year (and keeping up with Zs for forever) and not to know what it is would be pretty dumb on my part, IMO.
Maybe I am tired of the nismo hype, and it struck a nerve with me. There products are OK, but some are very overpriced and the s-tunes are at the top of that list. BTW, I do know the difference between nismo and nissan, and for you to say it like you assumed I didn't was not taken well by me. For me to be on this site for like a year (and keeping up with Zs for forever) and not to know what it is would be pretty dumb on my part, IMO.
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Originally posted by little_rod
Dude, you totally ignored what I said in that whole long post. The point I made previously, was that Teins have a warranty, as does the nismos. A big deal is being made that you can go to your NISSAN dealership with the nismos. To each is own, why didn't you buy a nismo flywheel or intake??? Cause you wanted something else and that is what I respect.
Maybe I am tired of the nismo hype, and it struck a nerve with me. There products are OK, but some are very overpriced and the s-tunes are at the top of that list. BTW, I do know the difference between nismo and nissan, and for you to say it like you assumed I didn't was not taken well by me.
Dude, you totally ignored what I said in that whole long post. The point I made previously, was that Teins have a warranty, as does the nismos. A big deal is being made that you can go to your NISSAN dealership with the nismos. To each is own, why didn't you buy a nismo flywheel or intake??? Cause you wanted something else and that is what I respect.
Maybe I am tired of the nismo hype, and it struck a nerve with me. There products are OK, but some are very overpriced and the s-tunes are at the top of that list. BTW, I do know the difference between nismo and nissan, and for you to say it like you assumed I didn't was not taken well by me.
I did not ignore what you said about Tein warranty. You said they are 500 less also. I said that that 500 can easily be spent in labor costs should something go wrong with the Teins. The NISMOs warranty covers dealer labor also (except for initial install). Unless you remove and replace the Teins, you are footing the labor bill.
For you to be upset about something that you were clearly ambiguous about is just not my problem. Again, I am sorry you feel the way you do about that situation.
I don't think there is anymore hype over NISMO than any other manufacturer. Certainly more hype over Crawford stuff. Easliy as much over others as well. I am too tired to make a list at this point. I think you just feel like NISMO is overhyped because they are Nissan specific and every part they make is dedicated to bettering Nissan. Maybe you feel this limits them in their wealth of well rounded knowledge. Maybe it does. Either way, neither one of us work for NISMO so we are not in a position to say. But they do have a part for almost every modification for the car and a lot of other Nissan models too. So maybe you see their name in every forum on this website. You will only see the Tein name in this forum. Maybe your overexposure resides in that alone. Who knows!! Who cares!! Good night!!
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yeah, don't really think we are agrueing over much right about now, we are in the same general area. But I do know one thing, like you said, nismo does have a part for almost every mod on this car. But tein specializes in suspensions, so their presence on this part of the forum is well warranted. Good night, lol.
I think what people are talking about are two separate subjects. One is the warranty on the item and the second is the warranty on the car.
All items from reputable places will carry a warranty, the thing is that if it breaks and it is Nismo S-Tune you can go to the dealership and have it covered including labor if is not then you will have to cover anything associated with the fix except for the part.
The second being the car warranty. If the item is Nismo S-Tune then any damage to the car arising from the Nismo part will also be covered where as if it is a non Nismo part you are out of luck (see ATI Procharger !!!).
So the key thing is to make a smart choice in parts and decide whether the part you are being has a potential of breaking or causing damage to your car and if it is worth it to pay more for a Nismo S-Tune part so yo uare covered.
IMHO I think that non Nismo suspension parts are a safe bet, although still a gamble I think there shouldn't be problems. So just be smart as to what you are putting on your car and be aware of the possible consequences.
All items from reputable places will carry a warranty, the thing is that if it breaks and it is Nismo S-Tune you can go to the dealership and have it covered including labor if is not then you will have to cover anything associated with the fix except for the part.
The second being the car warranty. If the item is Nismo S-Tune then any damage to the car arising from the Nismo part will also be covered where as if it is a non Nismo part you are out of luck (see ATI Procharger !!!).
So the key thing is to make a smart choice in parts and decide whether the part you are being has a potential of breaking or causing damage to your car and if it is worth it to pay more for a Nismo S-Tune part so yo uare covered.
IMHO I think that non Nismo suspension parts are a safe bet, although still a gamble I think there shouldn't be problems. So just be smart as to what you are putting on your car and be aware of the possible consequences.
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... hold on ....
A little history here..
Review of the S-tune setup has gone on for almost 1 year now...
check out raceboy's original thread... https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....threadid=23484 ------- and many other reviews including my own..
At that time... the S-tune was at the top of the heap.. could wipe out the dreaded "bounce" in a single bound like Superman... and dramatically improve handling.
After 1 year... this suspension still can.
I have had the S-tune since April 2003... and I still love it.
It has virtually eliminated the "bounce" and understeer, improved the handling and significantly increased steering response and feel. The overall handling has become much tighter with less sluggishness and body-roll.
The S-tune is great ... but you always want more.
So... my feedback after almost 10 months of driving this suspension... it is still excellent.
However I am now looking for the next step -- what will make the handling even better ?
I personally like hard, razor-sharp setups and steering... Harsher ride -- no problem... but that is what I want.
I hope NISMO comes out with an R-tune setup. I am looking at Ohlins... and others. However, I don't know what the perfect setup is for me.... not yet, anyway. for my 2nd generation suspension mod.
However, not a day goes when driving... that the S-tune setup fails to put a smile on my face for its handling pleasure.
Summary.. after all the rambling... I do not for 1 second regret getting this suspension.... and really believe it represents a very significant improvement over stock in every way...
all_bark, my old friend... experience the S-tune and enjoy it... it is better. And after more systems come on the market... you can benchmark your stock to S-tune.. to the next generation setup to meet your dreams.
Review of the S-tune setup has gone on for almost 1 year now...
check out raceboy's original thread... https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....threadid=23484 ------- and many other reviews including my own..
At that time... the S-tune was at the top of the heap.. could wipe out the dreaded "bounce" in a single bound like Superman... and dramatically improve handling.
After 1 year... this suspension still can.
I have had the S-tune since April 2003... and I still love it.
It has virtually eliminated the "bounce" and understeer, improved the handling and significantly increased steering response and feel. The overall handling has become much tighter with less sluggishness and body-roll.
The S-tune is great ... but you always want more.
So... my feedback after almost 10 months of driving this suspension... it is still excellent.
However I am now looking for the next step -- what will make the handling even better ?
I personally like hard, razor-sharp setups and steering... Harsher ride -- no problem... but that is what I want.
I hope NISMO comes out with an R-tune setup. I am looking at Ohlins... and others. However, I don't know what the perfect setup is for me.... not yet, anyway. for my 2nd generation suspension mod.
However, not a day goes when driving... that the S-tune setup fails to put a smile on my face for its handling pleasure.
Summary.. after all the rambling... I do not for 1 second regret getting this suspension.... and really believe it represents a very significant improvement over stock in every way...
all_bark, my old friend... experience the S-tune and enjoy it... it is better. And after more systems come on the market... you can benchmark your stock to S-tune.. to the next generation setup to meet your dreams.
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