Rayden2001

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I bought a toe and camber kit from stillen thinking it would fix my camber since my camber is very bad from lowering my car. Sure it fixed it a little bit but its still bad, I could bring in the camber where it sits my wheel flat on the ground but then the toe is way off because I could only go so far with the toe being maxed out. I went to two wheel shops here to see if I'm missing something.
Well this is the problem, the picture below shows why I can't get the toe straight. The arm that holds the rear spring and helps adjust the toe is still limited and basicly is fixed in one position. We moved it as far over as we can but it doesn't help at all. The blue circle shows the adjustment to allow some movement.
So, what I'm asking is ,stillen or someone to make a kit to adjust this problem.
-Jason

Rayden2001

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Heres what it looks like now with everything adjusted to the max without going very negitive on the toe. Its a little better now but still not good enough. I wanna go lower but then my camber will be just as bad as before.

al503

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you can order toe bolts here:

http://www.iapdirect.com/item.asp?invid=785

the toe bolts only run $45. I got the camber bar and the toe bolts for just over $200 shipped.

Rayden2001

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How much did you lower your car and did this allow you to put the wheels down on the ground like it should be? It says you have to: "adjustment slots will need to be elongated using rotary files". This dosent weaken the rear brace any does it? Also do you have any pics?

al503

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I actually haven't put them on yet. I have about a 1" drop and the neg camber is very apparent even after an alignment. I'm actually going to wait until I'm done tracking this season before I put the camber rods and the toe bolt in. There are several guys with G's that have put installed them and I haven't heard anything negative.

Most, if not all of those guys frequent this board so hopefully they'll chime in. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. I should be putting them in about 5 or 6 weeks after my last track day.

Al

Rayden2001

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*bump* alright where is the track guys? Help

Zquicksilver

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Rayden,

I know this isn't helpful info...but your Z is awesome

If I were you, I would not lower it anymore. Your wheels are going to look funny in the wells. Right now there is a balance of black or dead space all around your tires. A precision look if you will. You are pushing this look as it is...if you go lower it's going to look rice, IMO.

Gsedan35

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You've already been given the only correct answer by al503, that is the only correct way to adjust more toe at the proper oem location. Adjustable radius rod's are not the way to effect toe change on these cars, Nissan adjusts toe where it does for valid reasons.

palepony

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not an answer but another question, sorry

if i understand rayden and Gsedan correctly, the toe arms are not effective towards correcting this toe problem?

does this go for all toe arms? stillen, JIC, 350evo?

thanks

Moroccan_Mole

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negative camber is good ... it just eats tires a little faster

Gsedan35

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Most of the following was written by someone else, but I don't see the point of saying the same thing in my own words.

Yes, the traction/toe rods made by LSD unique aka Kinetix, JIC, Stillen ect, are more accurately named a adjustable RADIUS ROD. That is the correct name for the arm, just look it up in the shop Manuel.

These rods do not adjust toe. Due to their mounting point they cannot adjust toe WITHOUT affecting the caster change.

The radius rod (misnamed toe rod's) attaches to the spindle right on the pivot point between the upper and lower ball joints. It does not attach in front of the pivot point like some believe.

Lengthening or shortening of this rod only changes the caster of the spindle because the rod is below the rear axle. So, lengthen the rod and the less caster you get.... Shorten it and you get more caster.

Sure... some say that they have lengthened it and it adjusted toe. That is only because the caster has changed so much that the pivot point between upper and lower ball joints has been relocated..... due to the traction rod not being mounted perfectly centered between the upper and lower ball joints the entire rear geometry gets changed to the point that toe was affected.

This is the WRONG way to adjust your toe. I would call this a static toe adjustment. This may work as long as your rear suspension never moves. As soon as you corner hard, accelerate and squat or hit bumps and cause your rear suspension to become dynamic things can get nasty.

The proper way to adjust toe is with the stock toe cam or a aftermarket toe cam with greater range.

palepony

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thank you for great explanation

looks like i'll add toe cams to my suspension product list

Rayden2001

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Thanks for the good info. I just got an pm that 350evo is about to release a part to fix this problem, but its gonna be costly. I'm gonna call them tomorrow to get more info about this part and let you guys know the details about it.
Thanks again
-Jason

palepony

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look forward to it, thanks rayden

pp

Vlad

What is exactly toe cam and where it's located in suspension?

del105

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The only point I want to make is that Toe wears out tires way faster than alot of camber. You should be aware of this and try to keep your toe at 0 even if it ends up giving you more - camber.

del105

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this will fix your problem.

Add these for complete adjustability.

Gsedan35

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Wrong idea, adjustable radius rods, read my post above.

Gsedan35

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look in this pic, it's the bolt that the arrow to the right is pointing to.

del105

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When used in conjunction with the adjustable camber rods the adjustable toe rod will not alter caster since caster does not exist on the rear of a car unless you had 4 wheels steering, which the Z does not.

The goal here is to get 0 toe and make the tires last. an Adjustable cam bolt IMO is not going to get you anywhere near 0 toe.

So just to recap you are wrong and Iam right.